ABR Discussion Thread XXIX: Where we talk about bears....

[Darklord Bright]

The Ogre Incident: A situation that popped up not long ago revolving around a race (the ogres) when apparently some very important details were kept "Secret" about them until much later, involving some lore-breaking background stories for the race. Sparked a long argument, because it was essentially a whole lot of stuff being made up taking advantage of the fact that much of the race was unestablished.

This is why I don't like the idea of you not having all the information laid out of us, you could spring a change at any time, even if you're not the sort of person who would do so.

[Silverraptor]

The Ogre Incident: A situation that popped up not long ago revolving around a race (the ogres) when apparently some very important details were kept "Secret" about them until much later, involving some lore-breaking background stories for the race. Sparked a long argument, because it was essentially a whole lot of stuff being made up taking advantage of the fact that much of the race was unestablished.

This is why I don't like the idea of you not having all the information laid out of us, you could spring a change at any time, even if you're not the sort of person who would do so.

Ok, I see. You want me to reveal everything about this character to you guys.

The only problem is the scale on this project. If I was just doing the comic on my own or with some other person, I could easily understand how he would react to certain scenario's. The reason I might sound so secretive is because I don't know how your character's will react to him and as a result, how he will act until the moment of decision.

So I will give you guys all the information you want when you ask for it. It is the best I can do at the moment until I actually get the approval and get him in. Afterwards, I know it will be easier to give you guys more and more information about him as I learn about his character development.

[Mina Kobold]

And everyone is ignoring me.

I drew weasel.

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While you can't normally see it he does wear pants and not just shorts Otherwise it's good.

PS: I should really make a FFF:R comic... Tomorrow

[Fay Graydon]

PS: I should really make a FFF:R comic... Tomorrow

I would have made one by now... but Keris said he would introduce our characters together....
So I'm kinda waiting on him

[Silverraptor]

I would have made one by now... but Keris said he would introduce our characters together....
So I'm kinda waiting on him

I too am waiting on Kerris for something. Nevermind. I was contacted.


So what's the news on my CoN Character everyone? Anything I have left to explain about him? If not, let me know and I'll start an introduction comic on him.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

I too am waiting on Kerris for something. Nevermind. I was contacted.


So what's the news on my CoN Character everyone? Anything I have left to explain about him? If not, let me know and I'll start an introduction comic on him.

I hope for more answers for you then were given to me. *nods wisely*

*meditates*

[The Gremlin]

I too am waiting on Kerris for something. Nevermind. I was contacted.


So what's the news on my CoN Character everyone? Anything I have left to explain about him? If not, let me know and I'll start an introduction comic on him.

I vote yay (*arguably because I have a bone to pick with DLB ). I still disagree with the outcome of the Ogre Incident, and the only reason I stopped arguing is that I decided the new backstory was better (that, and the risk of a flame war). People should be able to keep some secrets about their characters, even if not about their races. Without that, we would have no mysteries: Nameless's face would be explained, Grim Ranger's past revealed, and MM would have to tell us the actual plans of the Sovice.

The fact that everyone is ignoring probably suggests that no one is against it and you're free to go your way about it. That's how I take it atleast.

By that logic, the ogres would have been okay. DLB only started complaining about a week after I explained a great deal about what he complained about later (though I will grant that I had left a lot of things unexplained, seeing a brainwashed race as something that does not need exact explanation).
Okay, maybe the comparison sucks. Whatever.

[Silverraptor]

So the vote have begun. If I can I'll throw my "yay" vote in. So that means 2 right? How many do we need before I'm given the green light?

[BRC]

I vote yay (*arguably because I have a bone to pick with DLB ). I still disagree with the outcome of the Ogre Incident, and the only reason I stopped arguing is that I decided the new backstory was better (that, and the risk of a flame war). People should be able to keep some secrets about their characters, even if not about their races. Without that, we would have no mysteries: Nameless's face would be explained, Grim Ranger's past revealed, and MM would have to tell us the actual plans of the Sovice.

I don't mind keeping secrets about the character, I'd just prefer these secrets to be more along the line of "This character is on the run from the Law", not "Everything about the character".
Even if Raptor dosn't want to tell us, I'd like it if He knows more details about it, and maybe runs it by somebody familiar with the setting.

[Silverraptor]

I don't mind keeping secrets about the character, I'd just prefer these secrets to be more along the line of "This character is on the run from the Law", not "Everything about the character".
Even if Raptor dosn't want to tell us, I'd like it if He knows more details about it, and maybe runs it by somebody familiar with the setting.

Well I have been thinking last night and got a few idea's for background and everything. I also have an idea that I want to check with you guys.

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The fact that he is sensitive to magic, could this be a consquence that allows him to see and hear the Spiritbound? It would make everything more interesting to them. Apart from that, he just has a history, no more powers or abilities then what I've already stated.

[DoomITP]

What's up guys, why hasn't FI started?

[-skimmer-]

What's up guys, why hasn't FI started?

MMs deadline for it ends within 10 days.....If he fails, then somebody else is going to start it instead.....

[Keris]

What's up guys, why hasn't FI started?

We've all been waiting on you. Hurry up, would ya?

[DoomITP]

I feel loved?

[kpenguin]

O hey, its Mega! How do you feel about joining a spiffy new plot that isn't new at all?

[The Gremlin]

I don't mind keeping secrets about the character, I'd just prefer these secrets to be more along the line of "This character is on the run from the Law", not "Everything about the character".
Even if Raptor dosn't want to tell us, I'd like it if He knows more details about it, and maybe runs it by somebody familiar with the setting.

That seems reasonable.
I take it nobody noticed my new race? Or did they have no comment?
/\ I think that you're probably just another threat, like TJH. Join CoN! Jooiiiinnnn usssssss... *Spooky voice*

[Keris]

I take it nobody noticed my new race? Or did they have no comment?

I, for one, did not notice it. Please, repost it while I am still paying attention.

[The Gremlin]

So, I've been thinking about making an NPC race. They're a subrace of kobolds, very closely related. There are a few differences:
Their ears stick straight up.
They have a golden stripe on their backs.
They are much less intelligent (they are born with a brain defect which is vastly similar to autism, except it does not in any way assist their mental faculties, but rather degrades them, and it is definitely not high-functioning)
And their metal magic is HUGELY stronger. This is actually a part of their defect. It takes up very little strength to use their magic, and they are all extremely proficient with it. However, they are very easily confused and have trouble speaking.
These creatures (not sure what to call them)are not pitied by kobolds, generally, but rather feared. There are a variety of urban myths about them, and are believed by some to be animals that should be put down. Many believe them dangerous. Certainly, they are dangerous, but they are naive things. They usually spend their days wandering the caverns looking around for food (they are unable to stomach meat).
There is also a very similar species which evolved nearby volcanoes. These things have INCREDIBLY hot body temperatures and therefore live nearby massive heat sources all their lives. These ones are believed to 'feed' off metal, which their bodies use somehow to make their bones and nails harder by far. They share the brain defect.

I really need to be more careful about writing big ideas in edits.

[DoomITP]

O hey, its Mega! How do you feel about joining a spiffy new plot that isn't new at all?

Sounds like fun!

[The Gremlin]

Sounds like fun!

KILL THE SHEEP!
*Threatens with shears*

[DoomITP]

Nice to see you too.

[The Gremlin]

Nice to see you too.

Our two sheep give me an excellent insight into your mind. Finally, everything makes sense.

[DoomITP]

What are you talking about?

[The Gremlin]

What are you talking about?

Well, I have two sheep. They are idiots who follow anybody who's talking excitedly or running around.

By the way, I've been experiementing with a new, MS Paint (no choice, really) based art style. Here is a Kharrish:

I think I'm gonna change the hair so that it's more like Troll's art style. Otherwise, what do you guys think?

[DoomITP]

You just called me an idiot didn't you.



Stick to inkscape dude.

[The Gremlin]

You just called me an idiot didn't you.



Stick to inkscape dude.

Not an option.
And yes. Yes, I did.
...
Okay, no I didn't. I just wanted to insult my brother's stupid sheep.

[Darklord Bright]

I vote yay (*arguably because I have a bone to pick with DLB ). I still disagree with the outcome of the Ogre Incident, and the only reason I stopped arguing is that I decided the new backstory was better (that, and the risk of a flame war). People should be able to keep some secrets about their characters, even if not about their races. Without that, we would have no mysteries: Nameless's face would be explained, Grim Ranger's past revealed, and MM would have to tell us the actual plans of the Sovice.
By that logic, the ogres would have been okay. DLB only started complaining about a week after I explained a great deal about what he complained about later (though I will grant that I had left a lot of things unexplained, seeing a brainwashed race as something that does not need exact explanation).
Okay, maybe the comparison sucks. Whatever.

Firstly, the outcome was the only one we could have reached, because as I explained countless times your original idea (Which you never mentioned except vaguely in passing before that, which is why about four people other than myself called you out on it...) completely disregarded the lore we had all worked on together for the two threads before that.

Secondly, I wasn't the first one to call you out, Methos was. He drew my attention to it.

If you would stop treating it like I was the only one who disliked it, and just accept the fact that quite a few people had issue with it (Even if in the end only Methos, BRC and I were trying to compromise with you and explain why your original idea didn't work.) and not ignore the facts, we might be able to stop bringing it up.

You know for a fact it will cause problems. Please, we don't need to continue the petty grudge match. We reached compromise, so what is the issue?

[The Gremlin]

Firstly, the outcome was the only one we could have reached, because as I explained countless times your original idea (Which you never mentioned except vaguely in passing before that, which is why about four people other than myself called you out on it...) completely disregarded the lore we had all worked on together for the two threads before that.

Secondly, I wasn't the first one to call you out, Methos was. He drew my attention to it.

If you would stop treating it like I was the only one who disliked it, and just accept the fact that quite a few people had issue with it (Even if in the end only Methos, BRC and I were trying to compromise with you and explain why your original idea didn't work.) and not ignore the facts, we might be able to stop bringing it up.

You know for a fact it will cause problems. Please, we don't need to continue the petty grudge match. We reached compromise, so what is the issue?

Hang on, you were the one who 'called me out'.
It did NOT disregard the lore, either. I explained it, and it made perfect sense. But because you and others disagreed with my idea on the whole, you insisted it was completely nonsensical. I got stuck on the defensive, making compromise after compromise which you refused. Then the flame war started when you started complaining that I had 'lied'. I believe that that was the low point of the entire argument, when you started insisting I had lied and I started insisting on an apology.
Frankly, I think you have NO RIGHT to accuse ME of 'ignoring the facts', and claim that YOU guys were the ones patiently explaining the truth to the crazy, raging Gremlin.

[The Gremlin]

I DO NOT want to argue. But I will not allow you to make pot shots at me, either. Drop it already.

[Darklord Bright]

Hang on, you were the one who 'called me out'.
It did NOT disregard the lore, either. I explained it, and it made perfect sense. But because you and others disagreed with my idea on the whole, you insisted it was completely nonsensical. I got stuck on the defensive, making compromise after compromise which you refused. Then the flame war started when you started complaining that I had 'lied'. I believe that that was the low point of the entire argument, when you started insisting I had lied and I started insisting on an apology.

No, actually, I wasn't the first one to call you out, Grem. I came in a little after the calling out because I was at school when the argument started. I remember, because I couldn't post from school.

And for the record, you did lie. You said you never edited the wiki entry for the race when you did, that kind of... happens to be a lie...

And no, it disregarded the lore entirely. You kept claiming some sort of huge magical entity had hypnotised an entire race and just changing the type of entity, even though we had established that nothing had that power, except maybe the creature, and it only appeared maybe a week before the auction and was supposed to be unique in its power - but you went ahead and decided something just as powerful or perhaps more so had always existed.

The one making pot shots is the one constantly dropping "Because of DLB" into his posts even after I told you to stop because I didn't like it.