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    I have to ask this question to everybody:

    Brighthammer 40K: Great thing, or greatest thing?

    I didn't like Shinji and WH40K, yet I fell off my seat laughing when I read this.
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    An. . .interesting thought experiment. The only real source of drama is the Tau, however. Still, interesting.
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    Oh, I'm a big fan of Brighthammer 40K. It's great for putting a smile on your face.
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    I'm just a big fan of this picture:
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    The link I posted above is the original, satire based Brighthammer 40K. This link takes things a bit more seriously, and thus is darker, though not much so, than the original version.
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    Brighthammer is so popular that it's actualy the only thing discussed in the WH40K fluff thread for months now, altough you'll be hard pressed to make them admit that.

    But hey, when you're claiming that the emperium is really smart and benevolent, chaos is logic, and the Tau are the true villains, you're discussing Brighthammer.

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    That hugging picture made my day.
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    the Tau are the true villains, you're discussing Brighthammer.
    That's pretty much the only thing I don't like about it. Otherwise I vastly prefer Brighthammer to Warhammer which I despise.

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    Do the Gaunts Ghosts novels, and the Ciaphas Cain novels, count as Brighthammer, or simply normal 40K with a bit less exaggeration of the Grimdark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Rapture View Post
    This link takes things a bit more seriously, and thus is darker, though not much so, than the original version.
    Why in the name of the Emperor and all his resplendent petticoats would anyone look at a concept like this and think "you know, what this needs is to be taken more seriously"?

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    Now I just have a huge desire to take a Rogue Trader or Inquisitor group and throw them into a huge warpstorm which somehow leaves them stranded in Brighthammer space, then watch them squirm all session while they try and find the dark secrets behind everything.
    "You raise your baton. The glass kettle drums pound out the the overture. Your vision clouds with blood. You wipe it away and continue. The xylophonist's hair bursts into a violet flame, but he continues playing. He's either a consummate professional or very drunk indeed..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic_Sage View Post
    That's pretty much the only thing I don't like about it. Otherwise I vastly prefer Brighthammer to Warhammer which I despise.
    Well, if a faction stays exactly the same when things go from GRIMDARK to NOBLEBRIGHT, you can't exactly blame anyone for turning from hero to villain, can you?

    Although it's actually the Great Old Ones who are the main villains in the setting, and the Necrons and the C'tan who are the benevolent precursors of civilization.

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    Why in the name of the Emperor and all his resplendent petticoats would anyone look at a concept like this and think "you know, what this needs is to be taken more seriously"?
    You underestimate the willpower of fanatical zealots like me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Do the Gaunts Ghosts novels, and the Ciaphas Cain novels, count as Brighthammer, or simply normal 40K with a bit less exaggeration of the Grimdark?
    Brighthammer, with some incursions of Tau-summoned villains, but hey, if Cain can hold off a chaos spech merine in close combat whitout suffering some horrible mutilation, you're definetely not on Kansas WH40K anymore.
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    You underestimate the willpower of fanatical zealots like me.


    I'm gonna get my Pretty Marine chapter together, we're coming around to your place on a Battle Barge Love Boat and bombarding you with gently-scented flower petals, you fiend!

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    Given that Yarrick can survive having his arm ripped off by an ork warlord, and go on to kill the ork, I'd say we're still in 40K.

    Big-name Commissars (like Yarrick, Gaunt, Cain) are supposed to be some of the most formidable non-Marine humans in the galaxy, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikasei View Post
    I'm gonna get my Pretty Marine chapter together, we're coming around to your place on a Battle Barge Love Boat and bombarding you with gently-scented flower petals, you fiend!
    Angry Marines were here. Pretty Marines suck.

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    ... , you can't exactly blame anyone for turning from hero to villain, can you?
    Are you implying the Tau were good guys before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikasei View Post


    I'm gonna get my Pretty Marine chapter together, we're coming around to your place on a Battle Barge Love Boat and bombarding you with gently-scented flower petals, you fiend!
    But I don't actually have an actual Codex-approved army!

    All I have is a 2000 point Reasonable Marine Company with a POW camp where all POW are treated comfortably without having to fear physical or mental intimidation!
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    Angry Marines were here. Pretty Marines suck.
    *sparkles sadly*

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    *sparkles sadly*
    Oh man I'm so going to deploy the Finger.

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    *sparkles sadly*
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    SPARKLING?!

    HEY ANGRY MARINES, THERE'S A TWIVAMP PRETTY MARINE HERE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Given that Yarrick can survive having his arm ripped off by an ork warlord, and go on to kill the ork, I'd say we're still in 40K.
    That's an horrible mutilation. And he fainted soon afterwards. And then he lost an eye later. And then he was captured and tortured by the orks, who however released him so he could continue to wage war against them. He's not even allowed to die.

    Cain? He died peacefull and hapily with a good retirement plan. Brighthammer all the way baby!

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    There was once a barren humie planet, where people were forced to work in miserable conditions to supply the imperium with minerals for useless machines of war.

    The Tau arrived, stablished trade ties, and offered them advanced technology to make their lifes easier.

    The spech merines came to exterminatus the whole place.

    The Tau protected the population and much spech merine ass was kicked.

    So good were the Taus that when the IG was sent, the comissar in charge prefered to retreat than to face them. Wich is really sayng something, compared to the siege of Vraks were they kept sending guardsmen after guardsmen to make the enemy waste ammo.

    Thus yes, the Tau are WH40K good guys. Someone who can see a comissar see reason is good by my book at least.
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    So far we haven't, in fact, seen anything saying how Cain died.

    What we do know from one of the footnotes, is that after being declared dead several times and then turning up, the Administratum put in a rule that he was to be considered alive unless they were shown irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

    This means (according to the footnote) that Cain is the only guy still considered by the Admininistratum to be "on the strength" subsequent to being buried with full military honours.

    So he is buried. But we don't know what happened immediately prior to his dying.
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    So he is buried. But we don't know what happened immediately prior to his dying.
    If there was enough of your body left to bury, then you died an exceptionaly peacefull death in the WH40K verse. That or you're in Brighthammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oslecamo View Post
    Thus yes, the Tau are WH40K good guys. Someone who can see a comissar see reason is good by my book at least.
    So the mass sterilization, indoctrination and mind-control via Ethereals is peachy for you? See, I find large scale domestication like that pretty abhorrent. I'm not saying the Imperium are any better, but the Tau most certainly are not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous View Post
    So the mass sterilization, indoctrination and mind-control via Ethereals is peachy for you? See, I find large scale domestication like that pretty abhorrent. I'm not saying the Imperium are any better, but the Tau most certainly are not good.
    There have never been more than rumours regarding those, ya know.

    As for mind-control via Etherals, it only happens to the Vespids and the Tau themselves, not the humans.

    Indoctrination? Since when is it bad? Especially in that setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oslecamo View Post
    If there was enough of your body left to bury, then you died an exceptionaly peacefull death in the WH40K verse. That or you're in Brighthammer.
    Only if you use the fanboy idea of Grimdark that doesn't make sense within 40k canon.

    There are millions of Imperium civilians who live reasonably happy lives and die peacefully, there's just always a chance that something bad will happen and no real hope for their decendants.

    The Tau are more like medieval Islam than Communists. Sure you can have a chance at a better life if you join them, but they're not exactly keen on letting other species just keep on living their way of life in peace.

    The Tau Empire is expansionist, the Imperium isn't. That may just be because of the Imperium's resources though.

    Tyranids are the real good guys of 40k. They're just following their biological imperitive while wiping out the more evil races at the same time.
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    recommend avoiding real-world parallels.

    The Imperium is expanding and contracting continuously- crusades launched to reclaim lost territory (sometimes territory that was occupied by humans before the Imperium itself began) and sometimes new territory (alien)

    and territory being lost to all the other factions at the same time as new territory is gained.

    It's expansionist- its just contracting so much that its expansions rarely do more than maintain the status quo.

    Notable expansions- Macharius Crusade (into old human territory) and Sabbat Worlds (into Chaos-stolen territory)

    Notable losses- 13th Black Crusade, Tyrannic Wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oslecamo View Post
    Brighthammer is so popular that it's actualy the only thing discussed in the WH40K fluff thread for months now, altough you'll be hard pressed to make them admit that.

    But hey, when you're claiming that the emperium is really smart and benevolent, chaos is logic, and the Tau are the true villains, you're discussing Brighthammer.
    People in the WH40k thread consistently disagree with a lot of what you say about WH40k and back up their claims with strong sources. On the other hand, you never back up your claims when you make them and you just ignore any argument made in response to your claims.

    Your reaction to this is to claim that everyone else is stupid and deluded and that you're the only one who can see clearly. Doesn't this strike you as slightly irrational behaviour?

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