Order of the Stick: The Manga

[littlebottom]

personally i would love to see the end of this comic done comic 111

its just the way that belkar stands there looking dejectedly at the dead goblins before half heartedly stabbing one of them

[Kumo]

There's also the cup of coffee

i found that bit humorous.

[Lycan 01]

Elagune's back?! AWESOMMMMMMME!!!!


I doubt that pbp game he was running for me is coming back, though.

[GreenMuffin]

I know you said no more requests..... but I want to see 470, It's so epic.

[Athaniar]

Elagune is back? Yay!

[Silverraptor]

Ya, but right now it seems he's focusing more on his webcomic, Bibliography.

[Lix Lorn]

Ya, but right now it seems he's focusing more on his webmanga, Bibliography.

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(shot repeatedly)

[Silverraptor]

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(shot repeatedly)

Were those bullets meant for me? If so, what did I do?

[Lix Lorn]

No, it was me being shot for being pedantic. Does that not happen on these forums? My forum sniper/exgirlfriend followed me.
(her name is Lilith)

[Dispozition]

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(shot repeatedly)

Sorry to say mate, but unless Elagune is Japanese, it's a comic, just with a Japanese art style.

[Lix Lorn]

Sorry to say mate, but unless Elagune is Japanese, it's a comic, just with a Japanese art style.

Actually, I'm pretty sure manga is a style. So if he';s using the style, that's what it is.

[Comet]

Actually, I'm pretty sure manga is a style. So if he';s using the style, that's what it is.

But is it wrong to call a manga a comic? Isn't manga just a label for comics made in a certain style or linked to a certain culture?

'Webmanga' just sounds like something that's trying too hard to be cool. But maybe that's just my bias speaking.

[Lix Lorn]

Manga is a type of comic, yes, but comics have connotations of childishness, in America and England at least, while Manga and anime are aimed at teenagers and adults. Thus is why I am a little incendiary on the difference.

[Prime32]

Manga is a type of comic, yes, but comics have connotations of childishness, in America and England at least, while Manga and anime are aimed at teenagers and adults. Thus is why I am a little incendiary on the difference.

Nah, manga are aimed at everyone.

[apenpaap]

Most people I know consider it the other way around: manga has connotations with pokemon and stuff and is considered very childish, while comics are also considered childish, but that kind of childish that's still okay for adults to enjoy.

[Lix Lorn]

Most people I know consider it the other way around: manga has connotations with pokemon and stuff and is considered very childish, while comics are also considered childish, but that kind of childish that's still okay for adults to enjoy.

See, I normally encounter it the other way round. Lots of manga and anime deals with life, death and sometimes even Philosophy: Fullmetal Alchemist is a good example. Blood, gore, affronts against nature: Not what you'd see in a normal comic.

I do admit that not all comics deserve that reputation of childishness though. There are quite a few with similar audiences to Manga.

(Also, the pokemon manga is kickass. The anime is utter fail and an insult to the word anime, and even to the word cartoon which better suits it)

[Comet]

The following is not aimed at anyone in this thread or in the immediate internet-vicinity. I just feel it is a good opportunity to rant a bit about a subject that's been bothering me for a good while, so please bear with me (spoiler for length and, well, ranting)

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Manga is a type of comic, yes, but comics have connotations of childishness, in America and England at least, while Manga and anime are aimed at teenagers and adults. Thus is why I am a little incendiary on the difference.

And it is exactly that connotational difference that makes me want to smash furniture. I like anime, I don't hate manga (though I do tend to dislike the choice of pacing and simplicity of the drawings present in most manga), but I absolutely hate the modern notion that the only acceptable, non-childish flavour of geek is worshipping all things japanese.

I mean, come on, japan is just like the rest of the world. They produce some brilliant stuff, but a majority of their stuff is just sad and uninspired (again, like the rest of the world's stuff). Most people tend to miss this mediocrity, however, because they can't get past the 'omg this is so exotic' part.

Comics are comics. I just can't wrap my head around why people tend to think that manga is something cooler. The same thing happened with the word 'graphic novel', some time ago, though even that is somewhat better, since it tends to encompass a wider variety of work than just the ones that imitate the Japanese way of doing things.

So, in summary: manga=comics. It's not a genre, or a weird alien form of entertainment that's like comics but cool. It's just...comics. It comes in all kinds of varieties, aimed at all kinds of people. It flucutates wildly in quality, like anything else out there

Japan is not magic, is all I'm saying.

Back on topic, then. Keep up the good work, Elagune, I really enjoy your take on the Order of the Stick

[Kyeudo]

Japan is not magic, is all I'm saying.

No, its not, but it is one of the few places animation isn't forced to live in a ghetto. Few western cartoons and comics actually dare rise above the level of entertaining children. This is why the Watchmen was so amazing. Over in Japan, it wouldn't have stood out near as much.

[Haven]

See, I normally encounter it the other way round. Lots of manga and anime deals with life, death and sometimes even Philosophy: Fullmetal Alchemist is a good example. Blood, gore, affronts against nature: Not what you'd see in a normal comic.

Have you seen a Western comic published lately? Except for things deliberately aimed at a younger audience, it's one of the goriest media around.

[Lix Lorn]

I didn't mean to imply manga is better than comics. I like comics, even the really childish one, but I agree with Kyeudo that japanese anime/manga tends to be aimed at older audiences.

However, I must raise my hands and admit that I don't read many comics.

My argument is based on the difference between anime and cartoons, which is far less arguable. Almost all western cartoons are aimed at teenagers at the oldest, whereas many anime (including hentai, but also including non-hentai) are aimed at teenagers and up instead. I assumed that this held true for manga/comics.

But you're right, manga and comics are far more similar and the difference is mainly style-I just suffer from ZOMG JAPAN a little.

(But I stand by my point in the case of anime)

[Prime32]

I didn't mean to imply manga is better than comics. I like comics, even the really childish one, but I agree with Kyeudo that japanese anime/manga tends to be aimed at older audiences.

However, I must raise my hands and admit that I don't read many comics.

Have you ever read a Hamtaro manga? Have you ever seen one in the places you normally buy manga? They're just not exported.

Meanwhile, the main comics companies aim their products mostly at guys who live in their parents' basements, not kids (kids get the spinoff stuff). Marvel and DC even have Japanese artists drawing for them.

One of the main differences is that most manga have a single artist and writer (who are often the same person), and are thus more consistent. They also tend to be more self-contained rather than being concerned with the status quo, and more often have permanent changes to the characters. People complain that Dragonball went on too long, but how long has Superman been around?

[Lix Lorn]

Okay, I know next to nothing about manga. I'm going to shut up Now.

[Elagune]

Here's a curveball for you guys.

I'm Chinese.

What is it now?

[Lix Lorn]

I'd still call it manga. XD Especially considering, you know, the title?

[Math_Mage]

Here's a curveball for you guys.

I'm Chinese.

What is it now?

漫画. Obviously.

[Reynard]

I'm still colouring that strip I said I would, but I've been swamped with college stuff, and still kinda am, so I don't know when it'll be done.

[Elagune]

漫画. Obviously.

Ah, but if you read that Japanese style it's manga! If you read it Chinese style it's manhua! Now I'm all confused.

But seriously, I label my stuff manga because everything I know about sequential art I got from manga, and so it's more reminiscent of manga and less like Western comics. I want people to have an idea of what they're going to see when they see my stuff. It's not like I think manga is superior to comics.

To-may-to, to-mah-to, it's a bunch of pictures that tell a story. Doesn't matter what you call it.

[BisectedBrioche]

Let's compromise and call it a graphic novel?

[Prime32]

Ah, but if you read that Japanese style it's manga! If you read it Chinese style it's manhua! Now I'm all confused.

But seriously, I label my stuff manga because everything I know about sequential art I got from manga, and so it's more reminiscent of manga and less like Western comics. I want people to have an idea of what they're going to see when they see my stuff. It's not like I think manga is superior to comics.

Eh, you can just use manhua. People usually call Korean stuff manhwa rather than manga, though that term would be better known than the Chinese one. Still, it's used enough in discussion that there's a TVTropes page.

[Lix Lorn]

I'm still colouring that strip I said I would, but I've been swamped with college stuff, and still kinda am, so I don't know when it'll be done.

WHAT?! How DARE you prioritise vital life affecting things above fan work based on fanwork?!
Good luck with your college stuff. XD

Graphic novel would be a fair compromise... but I plan to stick with manga. XD