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    Default Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge (As seen on BG)

    Basically, a challenge to create an optimised, flavourful character, using a "secret ingredient" of a particular PrC, revealed only once the competition has started. You will need to present your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    1. Menu: For most challenges, the "secret ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.

    2. Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine and Unearthed Arcana are discouraged, because of the potential for controversy or unfamiliarity; if you feel you need to use those sources, please contact me.

    3. Cooking Time: Contests will be announced a week in advance, to give people time to sign up. Following a week of sign-ups, the "secret ingredient" will be announced. Contestants will have one week to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman (most likely me, at least for the first few.) Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying.

    4. Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Flavour, Use of Secret Ingredient.

    5. Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor.

    6. Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    7. Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners.


    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for 3-4 judges and as many contestants as feel like playing!

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge (As seen on BG)

    The last Iron Chef I participated in, it was widely agreed that submitting five different character sheets was a pretty silly idea. That's a huge among of time and effort and stress getting everything right and working out equipment lists for each. What we ended up agreeing on was just submitting the ones you want to, rather than being obligated to to make five.


    In other news, I'm in.
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    I'm in.67890

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofzeal View Post
    The last Iron Chef I participated in, it was widely agreed that submitting five different character sheets was a pretty silly idea. That's a huge among of time and effort and stress getting everything right and working out equipment lists for each. What we ended up agreeing on was just submitting the ones you want to, rather than being obligated to to make five.


    In other news, I'm in.
    Very well. A brief rundown of the build's capabilities at all five levels will still be expected though, to prove that it's playable right through.
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    This should be good practice for me in learning to optimize better, I'd love to participate.

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    i'm in...


    Where do i sign up.
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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge (As seen on BG)

    I would join this but for two factors:
    1.) I am very unreliable about finishing things.
    2.) And this is the important one, to encourage something like playtesting for the poor, starving-for-even-somewhat-empirical-data, homebrew forums, I would ask that you allow any PrC from the PrC contests that has gotten at least 1 vote. I would say allow anything from homebrew, except that SOME level of quality control is probably a good thing... Should I consider running this as a separate contest some time? Maybe you could just do it as a one-off thing?
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    Heyas Heliomance =)

    I think I did 3 of the 4 last iron chef challenges (and won the first, w00t!), so I'd certainly be down for it.

    There's no way I'm going to do five whole character sheets again though - it was way too much work, and for one of the challenges I was the only one that bothered, which really annoyed me. I don't mind sketching out how the build evolves - I usually do it as a reminder to myself anyhow.

    It's probably a good idea to get about 20 contestants or so, considering that only 2-5 ever come up with a finished build at the end.
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    Post edited to reflect the changed rules.
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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge (As seen on BG)

    I'll try my hand

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    I can't guarantee that I'll have time when the contest actually starts, but if I do, I'd like to submit something.

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    Ill try it.
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    I'm in.

    Just one clarification: do we want to make a balanced, flavorful class, or an unashedly OP class?
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    I'll judge, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlock View Post
    I'm in.

    Just one clarification: do we want to make a balanced, flavorful class, or an unashedly OP class?
    Traditionally, it's graded in multiple areas - Originality, Power, Use of Secret Ingredient. There's also a penalty for illegal builds, and a build that (say) exploits Candle of Invocation cheese really won't score well in the Use of Secret Ingredient category.
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    I'll put in a build if I have the time/inspiration. This could be a lot of fun!

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    I'll give it a shot. I've missed the Hero Craftsman competitions on the Wizards boards.

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    I'll judge! since you don't have any yet.

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    Bump: this contest will need more challengers and more judges.
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    Sure, I'll join, why not?

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    I need to check my optimising-fu, so I'll guess I'll sign up as a contestant.
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    I'll throw down, if only because I have an unexplainable need to beat Eurus.

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    Sounds fun. Sign me up as a contestant.
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    I'll sign up as well. I'm not the best optimizer, but I feel I do alright in creating fun characters.

    However, you mention working the build out in 5 different levels. Alright, sounds like a lot of work, but fine. Does this include using all WBL though or is a brief rundown of useful equipment sufficient?


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    As mentioned, you don't need to give a full build at all five levels. Give a full build for at least one of them, and a rundown of what it can do at the others.

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    I'm up for this as well. Wonder what the secret ingredient is.
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    Let's hope it's not koriander, only so much stuff you can do with that.




    Ofcourse, with koriander I mean Monk.


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    I'm going to put my money on Thousand Island dressing!!

    Oh, for reference the last few Iron Chef challenges included Beastmaster (without making an ubermount build) and Suel Arcanamach. So I'm hoping for something from C. Scoundrel this time around.
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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge (As seen on BG)

    Although I'm quite new to the idea of optimising, I would like to give this a shot.

    So if you could sign me up that would be awesome-sauce.

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    I might as well try. Could be fun.
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