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    Good. Elves are annoying because everybody makes them smart, agile, and long-lived. I might make elves very short-lived in any campaigns I DM.
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    ... you're annoyed with ELVES...

    ...for, basically, being portrayed... as ELVES...

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    I don't like dwarves because they're always blacksmiths, miners, and live in caves. I don't like humans because their ears aren't pointy. I hate angry mobs because they're always giant douchebags as a whole but for some reason are nice individuals.

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    If only I could be that excited about school. "Hey, everyone, guess what? I finally took that level of Research Assistant!"

    But Radic's expression was funny. Looks like she knew Matt was going to react like that even before that arrow broke the window.

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    ... you're annoyed with ELVES...

    ...for, basically, being portrayed... as ELVES...

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    I don't like dwarves because they're always blacksmiths, miners, and live in caves. I don't like humans because their ears aren't pointy. I hate angry mobs because they're always giant douchebags as a whole but for some reason are nice individuals.
    its the fact that elves are always portrayed as "better than you" rather than being portrayed as "elves" that tick people off, that is probably what he is really talking about.
    I agree with him really, I'm thinking of deconstructing elves one day, portraying them as imperialist racist jerks that they try to conquer the other races and enslave them because they consider them savages, with strong imperialism tones to show everyone what really happens when a race considers themselves (and really are) superior than the rest of them....

    but don't mind me, I don't want to derail this thread okay? go back to whatever you were really talking about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    its the fact that elves are always portrayed as "better than you" rather than being portrayed as "elves" that tick people off, that is probably what he is really talking about.
    I agree with him really, I'm thinking of deconstructing elves one day, portraying them as imperialist racist jerks that they try to conquer the other races and enslave them because they consider them savages, with strong imperialism tones to show everyone what really happens when a race considers themselves (and really are) superior than the rest of them....

    but don't mind me, I don't want to derail this thread okay? go back to whatever you were really talking about...
    Wow. You sound exactly like my friend. He hates how elves are always portrayed as better than anyone else. We always come up with amusing conversations and jokes about that.

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    In any case, I did promise to have an update, so...

    #38: Gonna Need More Duct Tape

    Ohhhhhh. More Math jealousy at elves, this time at elven prestige classes.

    And Coffee, MORE duct tape?!?!? I think Math is broken way beyond the point of super tape now.


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    Wow. You sound exactly like my friend. He hates how elves are always portrayed as better than anyone else. We always come up with amusing conversations and jokes about that.
    Elves are better than anyone else, when it comes to ranged combat and speed.
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    Wow. You sound exactly like my friend. He hates how elves are always portrayed as better than anyone else. We always come up with amusing conversations and jokes about that.
    ....or maybe on the flip side, I can write them and humans as being not so different from each other from the perspective of someone higher on the cosmic chain, and portray them BOTH as bastards, thus getting two cynical opinions for the price of one

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    portraying them as imperialist racist jerks
    2nd law of D&D: racism is ALWAYS bad!... unless your an elf, in which case; its an interesting personality trait!

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    that they try to conquer the other races and enslave them because they consider them savages
    you should look up the nut job half-elves from tails of symphonia



    y'know, I was gunna suggest the possibility that the parents of those two half-elves were also half elves. Then I realised two of the grandparents were full elves... maybe both human grandparents died, so the elven grandparents got together and started a magic shop? XD
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    I'm also wondering who's going to end up joining the party.

    (I'm half expecting Coffee to do a bait and switch, and for one of the grandparents to join them.)

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    You could go with how Tales of the Questor portrays elves: they're eternally youthful because they're cursed to die as soon as they become adults.
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    Look, I like to portray these races differently. These elves are graceful and long-lived, but that's about it. You'll see.

    And actually, the dwarves live next door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    its the fact that elves are always portrayed as "better than you" rather than being portrayed as "elves" that tick people off, that is probably what he is really talking about.
    I agree with him really, I'm thinking of deconstructing elves one day, portraying them as imperialist racist jerks that they try to conquer the other races and enslave them because they consider them savages, with strong imperialism tones to show everyone what really happens when a race considers themselves (and really are) superior than the rest of them....

    but don't mind me, I don't want to derail this thread okay? go back to whatever you were really talking about...
    I'm writing a story with three races, including elves. The elves are more agile but once you actually manage to hit them they are very easy to take down.

    Also they enslaved the entire human race for several centuries.

    I don't see the problem with portraying elves as powerful, mythical beings any more than i see a problem with dwarves being nigh perfect craftsmen. After that the only reason they'd seem to be superior is that they think themselves so.

    @Zanaril: How did they reproduce? uggggh...

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    These elves are graceful and long-lived, but that's about it.
    And hyper.

    And actually, the dwarves live next door.
    Are you going to have the obligatory Elves vs. Dwarfs feud?


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    @Zanaril: How did they reproduce? uggggh...
    IIRC ,they lived just long enought to have children but all the kids ended up as orphans having to fend for themselves.
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    Guys, please try to stay on topic.
    Listen to the lady. This thread's here for us to discuss about the comic Murphy's Law, not about birthdays, elves anywhere else than in this comic or Asta Kask.

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    its the fact that elves are always portrayed as "better than you" rather than being portrayed as "elves" that tick people off, that is probably what he is really talking about.
    I agree with him really, I'm thinking of deconstructing elves one day, portraying them as imperialist racist jerks that they try to conquer the other races and enslave them because they consider them savages, with strong imperialism tones to show everyone what really happens when a race considers themselves (and really are) superior than the rest of them...
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    I'm writing a story with three races, including elves. The elves are more agile but once you actually manage to hit them they are very easy to take down.

    Also they enslaved the entire human race for several centuries.

    I don't see the problem with portraying elves as powerful, mythical beings any more than i see a problem with dwarves being nigh perfect craftsmen. After that the only reason they'd seem to be superior is that they think themselves so.

    @Zanaril: How did they reproduce? uggggh...
    Also: i've seen one story where the elves were the inferior race and it just got under my skin like no story has ever done...

    that and the dwarves had no accents

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    Also: i've seen one story where the elves were the inferior race and it just got under my skin like no story has ever done...
    Do you have a link? Or was it not online?

    That and the dwarves had no accents
    But why should dwarves have an accent, any more than any other race? And why should in be a stereotypical Scottish accent?
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    But why should dwarves have an accent, any more than any other race? And why should in be a stereotypical Scottish accent?
    It's not, actually. Scotsmen have a stereotypical Dwarfish accent.

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    It's not, actually. Scotsmen have a stereotypical Dwarfish accent.
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    Dou you have a link? Or was it not online?
    It was a video game. You've probably heard of it, Dragon Age: Origins?

    Quick note: if you do the dalish elf origin, then the 'im a superior bastard' stereotype is still fulfilled.

    But why should dwarves have an accent, any more than any other race? And why should in be a stereotypical Scottish accent?
    Because english is not their natural language which means that the only ones without accents would be diplomats, royalty or english teachers: people used to speaking the language nearly as often as dwarvish. Sure, there's no reason it should be scottish, but that they sounded exactly the same as humans and elves just bothered me as all crap... mostly because the few people that DID have accents had absolutely no rhyme or reason for it.

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    Elves can be irritating or not, it depends... I have a friend that likes to play only elves, but the thing is, she does it well. Actually, the character she's currently playing reminds me a little of Matt. He's a rogue too(well, a rogue/wizard) and the dice just hate him! Oh, the hilarity it brings..

    But, seriously guys, I second Discord here, we should really get back on topic. There are other places to discuss elves and dwarves.

    So, about the new comic:
    Serrins brother suprised me a little, he's looks different from what I expected. Not that I mind the least, hmm...wonder how he'd look like draw- Ahem! I love Radic's expression in panel 5, she knows what's coming. Hope Matt can control his anger, would be a shame if they got thrown out because he attacked the shopkeeper's grandson..

    And the shelves stay on place, not enchanted after all. ;) Oh, and is that Fir who says "<Congrats>" in panel 3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWater View Post
    Elves can be irritating or not, it depends... I have a friend that likes to play only elves, but the thing is, she does it well. Actually, the character she's currently playing reminds me a little of Matt. He's a rogue too(well, a rogue/wizard) and the dice just hate him! Oh, the hilarity it brings..

    But, seriously guys, I second Discord here, we should really get back on topic. There are other places to discuss elves and dwarves.

    So, about the new comic:
    Serrins brother suprised me a little, he's looks different from what I expected. Not that I mind the least, hmm...wonder how he'd look like draw- Ahem! I love Radic's expression in panel 5, she knows what's coming. Hope Matt can control his anger, would be a shame if they got thrown out because he attacked the shopkeeper's grandson..

    And the shelves stay on place, not enchanted after all. ;) Oh, and is that Fir who says "<Congrats>" in panel 3?
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    Thank you, CWater and Discord!
    Ooh! Ooh! When's the drawings? Please?
    And yes, that is Fir saying, "Congrats!". Only Serrin and other felines can understand her though.
    Well, I have finished planning on Serrin's part. I don't promise that there'll be a pic on the following week, but I shall try. After all, my summer holiday has technically started (well, I still have Japanese classes, but since I rather enjoy them, they don't count). I think I can at least manage a sketch.

    Her brother will have to wait until he's got some more appearances though...
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    Well, I have finished planning on Serrin's part. I don't promise that there'll be a pic on the following week, but I shall try. After all, my summer holiday has technically started (well, I still have Japanese classes, but since I rather enjoy them, they don't count). I think I can at least manage a sketch.

    Her brother will have to wait until he's got some more appearances though...
    Awesome! I can't wait!

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    This has been a fun sequence, Coffee, and Serrin and Fir are a riot. Though I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop; I vaguely remember you foreshadowing that something bad would happen in the Elven lands...(not counting bad things that happen to Matt, of course. If you went around foreshadowing those, you would have no time to do anything but foreshadow, ever.)


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    Fun update, Coffee; can't wait to see what's next. I'm also curious about whether or not Serrin is the only new teammember (I have not doubts about her joining, I just hadn't considered yet that the party might pick up more than one person). It could be fun to have a hyper half-elf brother-sister team in the party, but at the moment the two have enough in common that it seems they'd be at risk of becoming redundant. Then again, it seems odd to introduce a character, tell us about his classes and prestige class, and then just leave him behind.

    I'm half-way hoping that this next bit of speculation is way off-base, but, since you did mention something tragic and/or dark in the works and due to come soon, it seems to me like Serrin's family (her brother especially) is in dire danger...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyDelusion View Post
    Fun update, Coffee; can't wait to see what's next. I'm also curious about whether or not Serrin is the only new teammember (I have not doubts about her joining, I just hadn't considered yet that the party might pick up more than one person). It could be fun to have a hyper half-elf brother-sister team in the party, but at the moment the two have enough in common that it seems they'd be at risk of becoming redundant. Then again, it seems odd to introduce a character, tell us about his classes and prestige class, and then just leave him behind.

    I'm half-way hoping that this next bit of speculation is way off-base, but, since you did mention something tragic and/or dark in the works and due to come soon, it seems to me like Serrin's family (her brother especially) is in dire danger...
    Or maybe he IS the danger! (I mean, besides shooting randomly)
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    Or maybe he IS the danger! (I mean, besides shooting randomly)
    *shrug* Since he's come across so far as the spacey but bubbly little brother that the family adores in spite of broken windows, the more I think about it, the more he seems to me to have "victim of impending tragedy" written all over him.
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    Since he's come across so far as the spacey but bubbly little brother that the family adores in spite of broken windows, the more I think about it, the more he seems to me to have "victim of impending tragedy" written all over him.
    Yeah...

    "This is the greatest day of my life. I've just launched my dream career as an Arcane Archer, the future is so bright I kind of have to squint, and nothing could diminish the happiness I feel today." Dangerous attitude if you're a character in a work of fiction.

    Now, if he announces that despite being a young Academy student, he is somehow due to retire in a week, then we'll know he's doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyDelusion View Post
    *shrug* Since he's come across so far as the spacey but bubbly little brother that the family adores in spite of broken windows, the more I think about it, the more he seems to me to have "victim of impending tragedy" written all over him.
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    Yeah...

    "This is the greatest day of my life. I've just launched my dream career as an Arcane Archer, the future is so bright I kind of have to squint, and nothing could diminish the happiness I feel today." Dangerous attitude if you're a character in a work of fiction.

    Now, if he announces that despite being a young Academy student, he is somehow due to retire in a week, then we'll know he's doomed.
    Yeah, it's as if he is calling for it. Even more as he still is an NPC.
    I'm prematurely feeling sorry for him.
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    Yeah...

    "This is the greatest day of my life. I've just launched my dream career as an Arcane Archer, the future is so bright I kind of have to squint, and nothing could diminish the happiness I feel today." Dangerous attitude if you're a character in a work of fiction.

    Now, if he announces that despite being a young Academy student, he is somehow due to retire in a week, then we'll know he's doomed.
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    Don't forget, his first level was in Bard!
    Then it looks like he's due to look down and see the red shirt eventually...
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