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2010-04-03, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: BleachITP Reborn: Discussion & Setup Thread 2
Why can't the spiritual world simply be what it appears: an alternate plane of existence, made of different particles.
There's also the fact that the stuff in the spiritual world is pretty stable; you don't see a house disappear suddenly, with someone saying "whoops, I guess Bob hit the end of his time as reishi". Buildings stay where they are.
If you're doing this, just have them go to a "holding" state in some undefined location, and then they're back in the cycle having skipped Soul Society.
And I'd say being turned into the material to make a toilet for someone in the afterlife IS pretty horrible. Whether or not you're conscious of it.
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2010-04-03, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: BleachITP Reborn: Discussion & Setup Thread 2
I'm just pointing out that you have a dislike against abilities that remove people's powers or negates, even if that's all a character can do. I never said it was bad.
...Wait...so...unless it's a specific plot, then losing someone's powers should never be discussed? Or is that more extreme then what you meant? Because it should, especially if someone loses their powers as the result of a last minute decision or the plot swings in that direction, if for no other reason then so it's a well-thought out idea. Someone asked about senka, so senka should be discussed and not...decided it should never be done.
I disagree, on the basis that spur of the moment role-playing decisions usually have more emotion and depth to them and your view precludes such a thing. But, tis a difference of views and mine just doesn't match up in this regard, no foul here.
Well...that's why I said Ichigo was an oddball. And his method would probably only work for substitutes considering Living Shinigami would have their own powers destroyed by that and wouldn't 'have a back-up' to put it oddly.
And, if you'll remember, Ichigo didn't have a chain either both of the times that Byakuya used/tried-to-use senka on him. Regular shinigami don't have the chain but senka is a technique specifically designed for dealing with shinigami so I must assume it works just fine on them.
And why would a specific healing method like that be a game changer? I'm...honestly perplexed by that one. It's not like a senka-victim gains an extreme burst of power when they are hit (aka Quincy Final Form) making them want to get hit with senka before or during a fight. It's, literally, just another injury. Just deeper then most others...so...how is being able to fix it a game-changer?
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2010-04-03, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-03, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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First, yeah, mostly this is me just not liking things that remove powers.
My main point is that other options should be explored first for "I have no powers" plots. Not that it can never be done, but it just seems like something that shouldn't be the "first option". *Shrugs*
As for being a "game changer"....If there's not even a need for a complicated ritual like what Ichigo underwent, I fear this method of power loss getting closer to trivial, long term. "Oh, got my chain and soul sleep stabbed? No problem, 4th and 12th have vitamin supplement for that!". Just...I dunno. Can't fully explain it (my thoughts on the matter).
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2010-04-03, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-03, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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...So...I'm being ignored...again...
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2010-04-03, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-03, 11:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Er...It wasn't that complicated a ritual. He got his chain broken and only had three options. 1) Become a shinigami again. 2) Become a hollow. 3) None of the above, I'll become a vizard. You can obviously see which one he chose.
And I'm not saying it's something trivial either. "Oh, got my chain and soul sleep broken? No problem, I'll head over to 4th and 12th to spend a couple of weeks/months in painful rehab. If I survive long enough to get there." Remember, to perform senka you need to stab THROUGH a persons chest and lower chest/stomach area. Hell...Byakuya didn't even expect Ichigo to live after the senka hit. In other words, it makes one hell of a cool looking killing blow or could be used for power-loss plot as well.Warriors & Wuxia: A community world-building project focused on low-magic wuxia/kung-fu action using ToB.
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2010-04-03, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
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2010-04-03, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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I asked for more input on the whole concept of what could happen when Nick kills a Hollow. Assuming he doesn't eat it. That is what i am being ignored on. Also, does anyone have anything to say on Nick in general?
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2010-04-03, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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On the first post, point.
On the second...hm. That's something for Kasanip to answer, really. Especially considering the shrine characters are taking the neutral stance on things. Again. Up to her.
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2010-04-03, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-03, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's what we've been discussing, we've just generalized it a bit. The question is "what happens if it's not explicitly purified exactly like a Shinigami, or eaten by a Hollow or similar creature?".
A few different things have been proposed.
As for Nick in general...I do think he seems to kind of cross over a bit between Hollowing and Living Vizard. Since the focus seems to be his arms and the whole "really kind of a half-hollow" thing, might I recommend a bit of a change? He can eventually manifest the mask, and it does boost things...but he can't just take it on and off. It's linked by a few bits of "armor" to his arms. He can move his head fine, it's flexible armor. But he can't take the mask off. He literally has to "power down" some and de-manifest it. Kind of like how Chad seems to be able to switch between the forms of his arms somewhat. So it's still an upgrade, but it reflects the fact that it's a transformation, and not just a mask. Really, de-manifesting it works almost like taking it off in a "mechanical" sense, but the flavor feels more appropriate to a Hollowing like Nick.
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2010-04-03, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-03, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-03, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: BleachITP Reborn: Discussion & Setup Thread 2
(Double Post of Doom)
Terry, not only is your post needlessly condescending, it's incorrect. XtheYeti isn't asking about the Soul-Sleep discussion.
He's asking what happens when a Hollow is killed by Nicke with Cero, arm spikes, etc.
As well as asking for general input on his character.
Calling her "dear" and putting the "" at the end was something you should have avoided doing.
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2010-04-03, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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@KD: I think your worry about Senka is same sort of "selective blindness" as Sucroses worry about hurricanes. Just like ordinary ceros are perfectly viable for leveling cities, there are ways for characters to permanently impair others that don't require anything special - fractured spines, lost limbs and brain damage are all possibilities, and not trivial to many characters.
As others have pointed out, this is a community effort and all injuries are contingent on mutual agreement. Senka is nothing special in this regard - it's just one thing more on a list that's already very long."It's the fate of all things under the sky,
to grow old and wither and die."
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First, X is a guy. As he pointed out.
Second, doesn't matter what you were "trying" to do. It reads as condescending.
And your second statement makes less than 0 sense.
As Callos said, I've got a twitch against anything that summarily robs characters of powers. And you'll note I somewhat conceded this twitch reaction, and re-emphasized it should be about plot, and not specifically "I can hit the senka!".
@XtheYeti: Nonetheless, I apologize.
...It might help if you indicate gender in your profile. >.>
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2010-04-03, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Very well. X, I apologize for my condescending post.
Now that I think about, it does make less than zero sense. Damn.I make avatars. Send me a request.
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2010-04-03, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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We have one of those currently. Powers are broken as hell. Anyone who wants an expy of Orihime should go for a Staff Chick, as Callos already has Barrier Warrior covered.
On hollows killing (but not eating) hollows (without using an arrancar zanpakutou anyway). I say they get shot but scrambled into the cycle of resurrection, and turn into blanks, it is a funny possibility.
Or perhaps the hollow just disperses and reforms into a new hollow elsewhere in the world, as if it had just turned into a new hollow.
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2010-04-03, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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...It's relevant for me to use the right pronouns. Beyond that it doesn't matter, you're correct.
It's merely a suggestion. Certainly Nick's friends might ask why he doesn't want to do that.
Of course, Kaito's powers can't purify at all. He can just move things with his mind.
So I guess both of us kind of need an answer.
My proposal was for the souls to either get set to "delay" on rebirth, skipping Soul Society, or sent directly to be reborn (considering there are a couple hundred thousand people born every day, this shouldn't be a huge impact on that) as a human baby somewhere (well, probably as a newly-formed fetal soul, or some such, but that's probably too technical and such).