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    Default Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge IV

    Basically, a challenge to create an optimised, flavourful character, using a "special ingredient" of a particular PrC, different for each contest. You will need to present your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    1. Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.

    2. Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.

    3. Cooking Time: Further to discussions in the previous thread, the secret ingredient will be announced from the get-go. Contestants will have until Thursday 6th May to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Heliomance. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying.

    4. Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.

    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.

    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavour for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic point lost in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.

    5. Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when anonymising the entries!

    6. Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    7. Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners.


    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for about 5 judges and as many contestants as feel like playing!

    Back to the standard fare of Completes, this time. I think this is a thoroughly useless class, and I defy you all to make a good build out of it! Complete Warrior's Stonelord!

    Allez optimiser!

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    volthawk
    Grynning
    Private-Prinny
    9mm
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    Contestants:
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    the_archduke
    Bakkan
    AtwasAwamps
    BooNL
    DanReiv
    Zemro Shivic
    Gralamin
    The Vorpal Tribble
    FishAreWet
    crazedloon
    Mushroom Ninja
    SaintRidley
    Eldonauran
    Akal Saris
    Strategos
    Amphetryon
    Hand_of_Vecna
    Ingus
    ShneekeyTheLost
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    Imma judgin'. Let's see the pain, gentlemen.

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge IV

    heh. I'm actually playing a Stonelord in a game.

    not very optimized however...but maybe I'll give it a shot.

    I've been lurking on your other contests and have been really impressed with everything folks have done, so I'm a little reluctant...but hey you only live once

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    I think I can come up with an entry
    3rd Place in Iron Chef Optimization Challenge II

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    This will be my first optimization challenge, I'm in.
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    I'd like to give this a shot! As an entrant, please!
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    I'll volunteer to judge.
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    I'm back as a judge. For the really realz this time.
    And Stonelord...yeah, I've always kinda liked this class even though I know it's terrible. Also, the first class in the new batch that may actually yield some good-aligned characters (we've had plenty of evil in the last 3).


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    So... stones it is?

    Must be something I can do with this. I like dwarves, I like stones.

    The PrC however, is very underwhelming. Full BaB and a couple of spell-like abilities spread over 10 levels? I'd rather take levels of fighter than this.

    *Sigh*, let's see what we can cook up this time .

    As a side note: the only thing that piqued my interest is the fact that it gets Survival as a class skill, surely that must be good for something!


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    I did warn you!

    If you all think it's too bad, then I can change the special ingredient.
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    It's sounds fun and I might give it a shot if I've enough time.

    What about template and races with LA ? (last not being relevant this time but hey, for future reference)

    template can be added anytime (when compatible) ? or just at the beginning, or not at all ?

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    After watching the last couple challenges, I think I'll give this one a go.

    The class may lack a little lustre, but I think I can come up with something that at least tastes good...

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    Nah, it's all good, I think I can work with this.


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    Signing up as a contestant.
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    I would very much like it if you did change it.

    mortal hunter, wild soul, blood magus, alienist, dread pirate, fochluchan lyrist, ollam, and fortunes friend all sound interesting to me.

    ;)

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge IV

    I tend to go for the 10-level classes, as they have more meat and can actually serve as the focus of a build. If I change it, I'll go Warchanter, for this one, I think. Who votes to keep with Stonelord, and who votes to change to Warchanter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I tend to go for the 10-level classes, as they have more meat and can actually serve as the focus of a build. If I change it, I'll go Warchanter, for this one, I think. Who votes to keep with Stonelord, and who votes to change to Warchanter?
    Stonelord. Do Warchanter next contest, don't change it.

    Stonelord has some potential that I'm expecting to see.

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    I can think of a dozen awesome builds flavor-wise... but power is a whole 'nother ballgame.

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    I'd much prefer warchanter, though I can wait, it'll be maybe a few weeks before it happens again.

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    working on the stonelord, keep it's fun to see what might come out from such a 3rd rate PrC.

    What about templates, races and LA in general please (see above), sorry if I'm new to this, but I'd rather not spent time for something against the rules.

    Also full WBL ?

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    I've got a better feel for Stonelord, so I'll vote for that.

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    Keep Stonelord.
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    I've got an idea for Stonelord now. See how far I can go with this train of thought.


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    Like Stonelord. With Dragon Magazine was allowed, had a great idea that relies on that... Oh well, I'll figure something out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishAreWet View Post
    Like Stonelord. With Dragon Magazine was allowed, had a great idea that relies on that... Oh well, I'll figure something out.
    Ooh! Ooh! Tell me it! I love builds that rely on Dragon material.

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    Stick with stonelord, please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by arguskos View Post
    Ooh! Ooh! Tell me it! I love builds that rely on Dragon material.
    Might be able to salvage the concept. You'll find out when the competition is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanReiv View Post
    working on the stonelord, keep it's fun to see what might come out from such a 3rd rate PrC.

    What about templates, races and LA in general please (see above), sorry if I'm new to this, but I'd rather not spent time for something against the rules.

    Also full WBL ?
    Full WBL, though you don't need to give a full equipment list. As for templates, inherited go at the beginning, acquired go wherever you picked them up. If you don't have a very good reason why you picked them up, though, you're likely to lose points for elegance. Races with LA are allowed, LA rules are as normal. No buyoff.
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    Wow.. just.. wow.

    That's such a terrible PrC. I can't even find the energy to *try* to salvage it.

    GL to everyone with more fortitude than I.

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    I shall also join in on this fun as a chef
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