Test of Spite [3.5]

[IthilanorStPete]

Speaking of Undead, as I was reading the rules, it was unclear to me, is a Incarnate Construct Warforged Gravetouched Goul permitted?

Incarnate Construct is from Savage Species, so probably not.

[TheMadLinguist]

Undead type has disagreements with that:
Undead can still be mentally damaged. It was brought in at the same time as psionic undead.

Technically, they don't say "can be mentally damaged". They just say "cannot be physically damaged". So if you found a way to get a con score, you'd still be immune to physical damage, or if you found a way to count as the undead type, you'd be immune to physical but not mental damage.

Or if you lost your con as a non undead, you'd be immune to any ability damage.

Unless you have rulestext that says "undead lose any immunity to ability damage to their mental scores"?

[9mm]

Eh, shouldn't be too unbalanced. You can't get higher level summons than you normally get, and druids get far too little love anyway in this iteration of the banlist. In fact, I don't think I've seen a single competetive druid so far.

(Although a summonmancer would be the way to go, what with all the buffs.)

Sign had one, won by trapping Olo (I think) in a tornado then bludgeoning him to death.

[term1nally s1ck]

Wait, Olo lost without killing himself?

[PhoenixRivers]

Technically, they don't say "can be mentally damaged". They just say "cannot be physically damaged". So if you found a way to get a con score, you'd still be immune to physical damage, or if you found a way to count as the undead type, you'd be immune to physical but not mental damage.

Or if you lost your con as a non undead, you'd be immune to any ability damage.

Unless you have rulestext that says "undead lose any immunity to ability damage to their mental scores"?

It seems that on this piece on chicanery, you are technically correct.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Sign had one, won by trapping Olo (I think) in a tornado then bludgeoning him to death.

Nah, I actually won that one. Sign got two tornadoes up, but I had a bit too much daka.

EDIT: That character did win another battle or two though, cause after two tornadoes it hid underground.

[PhoenixRivers]

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@DM's:

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The text of Divine Metamagic states that you expend turn attempts as a free action to apply the effect of metamagic to a spell you know.

Does this bypass the typical hindrance of spontaneous casters for cast time increases when applying metamagic?

Specifically, I'm looking at a favored soul using DMM quicken.

[Il_Vec]

Made Sheet, sent for approval. What now?

[theterran]

Made Sheet, sent for approval. What now?

You wait....

and wait....

[Doc Roc]

You wait....

and wait....

That should change over summer. :)
I wish we had some funding of some sort, but that's never going to happen.

[Claudius Maximus]

Question:

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The text of Divine Metamagic states that you expend turn attempts as a free action to apply the effect of metamagic to a spell you know.

Does this bypass the typical hindrance of spontaneous casters for cast time increases when applying metamagic?

Specifically, I'm looking at a favored soul using DMM quicken.

PhoenixRivers:

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This isn't entirely clear by RAW, but in the end I don't think that DMM overrides the casting time increase, based on the following rules:

[A spontaneous caster] must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell.

You have to take the longer casting time if the spell is "enhanced by a metamagic feat."

As a free action, you can take the energy from turning or rebuking undead and use it to apply a metamagic feat to spells that you know.

When you use Divine Metamagic, you apply a metamagic feat to the spell. I personally do not find it unreasonable to say that the spell is now enhanced by a metamagic feat, and you must consequently use the longer casting time.

If anyone disagrees with this, I welcome debate.

[Adumbration]

You wait....

and wait....

... get bored and do an exhibition regardless.

[Amphetryon]

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I am in need of an official ruling I can point to for how DMM interacts with Triadspell (SpC 224). Does DMM: Fell Drain, for instance, 1) have no effect because Triadspell doesn't effect a target itself; 2) effect the first copy of the spell Triadspell allows to be recast; 3) allow all the copies of the spell to be influenced by Fell Drain?

[PhoenixRivers]

I've got a character that needs a qualifier now. :D

[IthilanorStPete]

eeeek

In other news, does anyone else have a really hard time coming up with a concept that hasn't been done before? I was kicking around a Trollshape -> immunity to dmg as a main trick of a caster, then Fluffy just did that way better, among other things...and I haven't had a decent idea since.

[PhoenixRivers]

Well, defenses have been well covered, so I'm trying new attack methods and win conditions.

[Il_Vec]

What is the ruling of the Dms of the test of spite on a Two-handed weapon-wielding leap-attack? -1 for +3 or -1 for +4? I know that the errata gives to understand the +4 one, but I've seen Dms rule otherwise...

[Amphetryon]

eeeek

In other news, does anyone else have a really hard time coming up with a concept that hasn't been done before? I was kicking around a Trollshape -> immunity to dmg as a main trick of a caster, then Fluffy just did that way better, among other things...and I haven't had a decent idea since.

I've found a couple of interesting timing tricks.

[PhoenixRivers]

What is the ruling of the Dms of the test of spite on a Two-handed weapon-wielding leap-attack? -1 for +3 or -1 for +4? I know that the errata gives to understand the +4 one, but I've seen Dms rule otherwise...

1:4, as leap attack increases it by 100%.

[theterran]

I've got a character that needs a qualifier now. :D

If I could get my latest submittal approved, I would have one too...TS said he was working on it, but that's been a few weeks now...

[Il_Vec]

1:4, as leap attack increases it by 100%.

Yes, really good.
My usual DMs treats this as a classic case of doubling doubles = triples, like criticals.

[Doc Roc]

In about two weeks, I'm going to be launching some more Penny Dreadful classes, so hopefully that will breathe some much needed vigor into build variety.

If I could get my latest submittal approved, I would have one too...TS said he was working on it, but that's been a few weeks now...

Check your e-mail, at least the one you used to register your GitP account.

[theterran]

Oh, you send it back via email? I thought CM said I would get a PM...

(goes to check his email)

[PhoenixRivers]

Oh, you send it back via email? I thought CM said I would get a PM...

(goes to check his email)

CM does do PM's. Not all checkers do, though.

[term1nally s1ck]

I've been slightly swamped, and you used some stuff I've not seen used before, so have to go see how it works. I'll try and do it tonight.

[Olo Demonsbane]

eeeek

In other news, does anyone else have a really hard time coming up with a concept that hasn't been done before? I was kicking around a Trollshape -> immunity to dmg as a main trick of a caster, then Fluffy just did that way better, among other things...and I haven't had a decent idea since.

I do thought exercises where I try to find out a workable build for every class in a supplement. It usually gives me some scarily awesome idea. I have decent ones for Blackguard and Psibond Agent stewing right now...neither is tier 1 or anything, but both might be able to make it to Tier 2.5 or so with good optimization.

[Nohwl]

ok, finished my character. so i guess i'm looking for a match. or something.

[PhoenixRivers]

Has your character been approved for qualifiers?

[Nohwl]

i sent a message saying to hold off so i could fix the spell list a bit more. almost done with it.

edit--finished the spell list.

[Claudius Maximus]

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I am in need of an official ruling I can point to for how DMM interacts with Triadspell (SpC 224). Does DMM: Fell Drain, for instance, 1) have no effect because Triadspell doesn't effect a target itself; 2) effect the first copy of the spell Triadspell allows to be recast; 3) allow all the copies of the spell to be influenced by Fell Drain?

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I would say 1, since Triadspell affects spell slots, not spells. In any case metamagic feats would be applied to Triadspell itself, not the the spells you affect with it. Quickened Triadspell would not quicken the 3rd level spells, for instance. The only effect would be that you could cast Triadspell as a swift action. The case of Fell Drain is even simpler: you can not apply Fell Drain to Triadspell because Triadspell does not deal damage to any foes.