Test of Spite [3.5]

[Doc Roc]

2010: May 15th.

[theterran]

2010: May 15th.

Ok...what happens then?

[arguskos]

Ok...what happens then?

My bet? Legend hits, which will be awesome.

[Nohwl]

i thought that was the date doc roc said he would be playing a wizard against 4 fighters.

edit--guess i'm looking for an opponent now.

[PhoenixRivers]

i thought that was the date doc roc said he would be playing a wizard against 4 fighters.

Speaking of that... I'm still waiting on fighter development for my wizard. :)

[Eurus]

Speaking of that... I'm still waiting on fighter development for my wizard. :)

Were detailed character creation guidelines for that ever written up?

[PhoenixRivers]

As far as I know, it's core - some of the more blatant abuses gone.

(calling, simulacrum, leadership, dust of sneezing and choking)

Basically, people should more or less know what is covered under most standard gentlemen's agreements.

[Eurus]

As far as I know, it's core - some of the more blatant abuses gone.

(calling, simulacrum, leadership, dust of sneezing and choking)

Basically, people should more or less know what is covered under most standard gentlemen's agreements.

Point buy? I'm assuming 28, but it's good to check. And all of UA (including flaws and traits) is out?

[PhoenixRivers]

Point buy? I'm assuming 28, but it's good to check. And all of UA (including flaws and traits) is out?

Core = If it's not in the Monster Manual, Player's Handbook, or DMG, it's out.
This includes, but is not limited to, XPH, UA, and divine sections of the SRD.

and 28 pb is what the wizard is built on.

[Eurus]

Alright, cool. And... I forget, was EWP for future weapons supposed to be a freebie? Not that it matters much, there aren't nearly enough decent core feats for a fighter anyway...

[PhoenixRivers]

Alright, cool. And... I forget, was EWP for future weapons supposed to be a freebie? Not that it matters much, there aren't nearly enough decent core feats for a fighter anyway...

EWP wasn't free. The guns were free.

[Eurus]

Alright, well, feats picked out, and they're none too impressive. Hopefully items will fill in the gaps, though. I'm probably going to end up asking for advice, since I've never even tried to touch a core fighter before... I have no real frame of reference here.

[Eurus]

Can ranged weapons be made spell storing? They don't appear on the table of ranged weapon enchantments (only melee), but the actual description doesn't mention having to be put on melee, so is this a case of text trumps table? (I'm also assuming that a non-spellcaster can put a spell from a scroll into one, even if that requires using UMD to emulate being a spellcaster).

[PhoenixRivers]

Can ranged weapons be made spell storing? They don't appear on the table of ranged weapon enchantments (only melee), but the actual description doesn't mention having to be put on melee, so is this a case of text trumps table? (I'm also assuming that a non-spellcaster can put a spell from a scroll into one, even if that requires using UMD to emulate being a spellcaster).

The table's a random generation table, anyway. It's technically legal.

However, projectile weapons (such as bows) do not confer the property on their ammunition.

[Eurus]

The table's a random generation table, anyway. It's technically legal.

However, projectile weapons (such as bows) do not confer the property on their ammunition.

Does it work on the guns, then? I don't think you can enchant their power packs, since they aren't technically ammo, but it seems like a bit of a gray area.

[PhoenixRivers]

Does it work on the guns, then? I don't think you can enchant their power packs, since they aren't technically ammo, but it seems like a bit of a gray area.

Spell storing doesn't apply to shots that are essentially rays.

It's a point of contention as to whether it functions on arrows (based on the timing of when they destroy vs when they activate the spell).

[Eurus]

Spell storing doesn't apply to shots that are essentially rays.

It's a point of contention as to whether it functions on arrows (based on the timing of when they destroy vs when they activate the spell).

So you can't make the guns spell storing, and you can't make the power packs spell storing either? Shame...

Question 2, then. Can you take free actions between attacks in a full attack action? I know you can take a 5-foot step, and I think you can take free actions, but I'm not entirely sure.

[PhoenixRivers]

So you can't make the guns spell storing, and you can't make the power packs spell storing either? Shame...

Question 2, then. Can you take free actions between attacks in a full attack action? I know you can take a 5-foot step, and I think you can take free actions, but I'm not entirely sure.

You need rules text to allow a 5 foot step between attacks.

Free actions can be taken whenever they are allowed. For example, speech can be done in the middle of most anything.

Other free actions have their own conditions for use. They may be used whenever they may be used. Sorry for a lack of clarity in that, but free actions really have their use defined by what they DO.

[Eurus]

You need rules text to allow a 5 foot step between attacks.

Free actions can be taken whenever they are allowed. For example, speech can be done in the middle of most anything.

Other free actions have their own conditions for use. They may be used whenever they may be used. Sorry for a lack of clarity in that, but free actions really have their use defined by what they DO.

Meh, figures it couldn't just be something simple and straightforward. Oh well, time to hunt for specific rules.

EDIT: And the "Combat Actions" section of the SRD says that:

The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.

So yeah, I know that works.

[Eurus]

Er... I'm assuming Wish is covered under the "don't really mess with it" clause, so is the ToS rule replacing it in all instances with Miracle in effect? i might buy a Ring of Three Miracles, if it is...

[PhoenixRivers]

Er... I'm assuming Wish is covered under the "don't really mess with it" clause, so is the ToS rule replacing it in all instances with Miracle in effect? i might buy a Ring of Three Miracles, if it is...

Wish isn't too bad, when using the listed effects only. If you're trying for something that's not a legal listed effect, it's a don't mess with it kinda thing. That said, I'm not messing with it.

[Eurus]

Wish isn't too bad, when using the listed effects only. If you're trying for something that's not a legal listed effect, it's a don't mess with it kinda thing. That said, I'm not messing with it.

Not sure, really. It's just good to know what your options are. And a Ring of Wishes seems like it might be a decent panic button.

[PhoenixRivers]

Not sure, really. It's just good to know what your options are. And a Ring of Wishes seems like it might be a decent panic button.

I agree. A rather expensive panic button, but a panic button nonetheless. Granted, not sure how one shot rules for item cost and charged items interacts with ring of wishes.

[Eurus]

I agree. A rather expensive panic button, but a panic button nonetheless. Granted, not sure how one shot rules for item cost and charged items interacts with ring of wishes.

Mm, good point. 100k is pricey, but arguably worth it. Multiplying that by however much makes it an exercise in futility, though.

[PhoenixRivers]

Mm, good point. 100k is pricey, but arguably worth it. Multiplying that by however much makes it an exercise in futility, though.

1 use items are multiplied by 5.

Items with limited charges have their charges divided by 5 instead.

[Draz74]

1 use items are multiplied by 5.

Items with limited charges have their charges divided by 5 instead.

So, 60% of a Wish? Ehhhh ... is that the same as one Limited Wish?

[Test Of Spite]

Ring of the Beast is now unbanned.
Rainbow Servant's changes have been clarified. It is now a 8/10 casting class.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Anyone want an exhibition with a new Tier 2 minionmancer?

[lvl 1 sharnian]

For the 4 Fighter vs 1 Wizard, is WBL for each individual fighter or is it shared?

[PhoenixRivers]

For the 4 Fighter vs 1 Wizard, is WBL for each individual fighter or is it shared?

760k gold for each character.

Thus, the wizard has 760k, and each fighter has 760k.

Note that calling effects are banned; this includes scrolls and other items that do it. Dust of Sneezing and Choking is likewise unethical, as is Simulacrum.

Basically, we all know the blatant exploits.