Test of Spite [3.5]

[PhoenixRivers]

Do rules changes apply to characters that were already submitted? For example, there's a submission by T.G. Oskar that uses the old paladin, can that still be used?

All rules changes apply for all characters that intend to be approved for qualifiers.

[Doc Roc]

Do rules changes apply to characters that were already submitted? For example, there's a submission by T.G. Oskar that uses the old paladin, can that still be used?

Normally, no. But we owe TG quite a bit, so I'm willing to make an exception just this once.

[Claudius Maximus]

So is there anyone out there who I've already contacted for sheet checking, who is waiting for a response from me? I'm under the impression that I'm waiting for the players to respond in all my correspondences, but some have lagged for so long I'm beginning to wonder.

[Il_Vec]

I am lagging and apologize, just haven't had the time to plow through books lately.

[Claudius Maximus]

That's fine. I'm mostly worried there's someone out there who's waiting on me, and I have no idea about it.

[T.G. Oskar]

Normally, no. But we owe TG quite a bit, so I'm willing to make an exception just this once.

You...owe me quite a bit? Not...entirely sure how...

Granted: I've done some formatting for War-marked and [CENSORED], and I still have to do the formatting for Barbarian and Monk (I haven't forgotten; that's just how lazy I am). Oh, and mostly began on sheet-checking.

Though; compared to, say, the GMs or the rest of the sheet-checkers or the ban-seekers (:P)...not THAT much...

[Mystic Muse]

I looked at the ban list and am Curious about a few of these.

Dusk Giants do not exist. I don't really know what these are or where they're from so I can't check their stats.

shambling mounds do not exist what exactly about these is so bad? I didn't notice anything.

[PhoenixRivers]

I looked at the ban list and am Curious about a few of these.

Dusk Giants do not exist. I don't really know what these are or where they're from so I can't check their stats.

shambling mounds do not exist what exactly about these is so bad? I didn't notice anything.

Shambling mounds are usable in infinite(technically arbitrarily high) HP combos. With one, I could walks around with over 100,000 HP, and have my lowest save be in the range of +3000.

[Doc Roc]

Dusk giants, in heroes of horror, have an (ex) ability called cannibalize. It is much like the feed ability of the barghests, with the crucial exception of the fact that, again, it is (ex). Worse, it is listed in correctly under special attacks.

This makes it an (ex) special attack, which....
Is extremely bad. Literally just hilariously awful.

[Adumbration]

Is any way to abuse them without Wildshape and Polymorph? Just seeing that both are banned.

[Doc Roc]

Is any way to abuse them without Wildshape and Polymorph? Just seeing that both are banned.

Yes, there are a few.

[Amphetryon]

Is any way to abuse them without Wildshape and Polymorph? Just seeing that both are banned.

It seems without the ban in place they'd be summonable, at 1st glance in my HoH copy....

[imperialspectre]

Also, they're examples of truly awful design. They should be excluded more or less on principle.

Isn't that why we banned Fighter and Monk, after all?

[PhoenixRivers]

It seems without the ban in place they'd be summonable, at 1st glance in my HoH copy....

And anything that can be summoned can be mind switched.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Shambling mounds are usable in infinite(technically arbitrarily high) HP combos. With one, I could walks around with over 100,000 HP, and have my lowest save be in the range of +3000.

You could have arbitrarily high all three saves as well, with a couple of feats thrown in.

Unless you have Assay Energy Resistance or some method of bypassing defenses, you wouldn't have much in the way of offense, but nearly impossible to truly kill...

[Doc Roc]

Also, they're examples of truly awful design. They should be excluded more or less on principle.

Isn't that why we banned Fighter and Monk, after all?

I've always wondered about that.... My suspicion is that whoever wrote heroes of horror knew EXACTLY what he was doing, and set out to create a book that was quite literally an unliving terror.

[PhoenixRivers]

I've always wondered about that.... My suspicion is that whoever wrote heroes of horror knew EXACTLY what he was doing, and set out to create a book that was quite literally an unliving terror.

In both a thematic and mechanical sense, it seems.

[Mystic Muse]

Well, I like the Dread witch and Fiend blooded PRCs.....

[Amphetryon]

Well, I like the Dread witch and Fiend blooded PRCs.....

Fiend-blooded would be considerably better if the spontaneous casters for whom it appears designed could actually finish it pre-Epic without shenanigans.

[Mystic Muse]

Fiend-blooded would be considerably better if the spontaneous casters for whom it appears designed could actually finish it pre-Epic without shenanigans.

Why can't they? I don't have access to the book right now. PM me before it goes more off topic.

Probably not going to get it anymore if the only two things I was ever going to use from that book aren't going to work.

[Doc Roc]

Why can't they? I don't have access to the book right now. PM me before it goes more off topic.

Probably not going to get it anymore if the only two things I was ever going to use from that book aren't going to work.

Issues with skill reqs, if I remember. However, they are fixable, and the book is a superb resource in a lot of respects. There's no villain quite as ridiculous as a Tainted Scholar.

[Boci]

Issues with skill reqs, if I remember.

Knowledge (the planes) 8 ranks. Could just be halved to 4.

However, they are fixable, and the book is a superb resource in a lot of respects. There's no villain quite as ridiculous as a Tainted Scholar.

Agreed. The only other possible complaint is how short it is.

[Amphetryon]

This one in the SRD is pretty close to Tainted Scholar.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

This one in the SRD is pretty close to Tainted Scholar.

Somewhat muted by Con damage, and Wisdom penalties. Still, with an exceedingly high Wis score, you can rack up some pretty stupid DC's...

[Olo Demonsbane]

Proposed Rule Change:
(Great) Cleave and Whirlwind Attack work on Mirror images.

Not only does it make implicit sense, it also allows a (small) use for these feats in an enviornment where they are otherwise completely useless.



On a completely different note, any challenges for my Tier 2-ish Minionmancer?

[imperialspectre]

Okay, so the thing we were announcing for today is on Valve Time as of two hours from now, because Jake had a wedding to go to. Expect it tomorrow.

[Glimbur]

I'm still spoiling for a quick fight. The character is Tier 4 or 3, but a rather ridiculous tier 3.

[Doc Roc]

Looks like we'll get to release the classes now, though a smidge late!

[Olo Demonsbane]

Looks like we'll get to release the classes now, though a smidge late!

I've been looking forward to this...

[imperialspectre]

Penny Dreadful Gaming presents Legend - Alpha Release, Non-Casting Classes only

The link's no longer available. See the Rule of Cool website for more information. Enjoy.