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    A little while back, there were a handful of threads on how to best go about making a dnd 3.5 Hellsing vampire. Here's my take on it.


    NO-LIFE KING



    "You monster."
    "I get that a lot."
    -- Alucard, No-Life King

    The No-Life Kings trace their lineage directly to their progenitor, the original No-Life King Alucard. Records of the time say that Dracula had been a powerful but otherwise unexceptional vampire lord who ruled over his small nation through fear.

    One day, a small group of adventurer bards called the Hell singers rose up against the evil Count, fought with and cast him down. They were aided in their righteous cause by a powerful wizard, who asked only one thing in return for his assistance.

    Count Dracula vanished from history for a hundred years.

    When he returned, he answered only to Alucard. The wizard had changed and warped him, his strength multiplied beyond limit or sanity, but bound irrevocably to the wizardís line. There he remains to this day.

    But he did Sire a No-Life King of his own, a comely member of the city guard named Victoria. And she in turn begat others, unbound by any oath or power - save their vampiric forebears. Victoria herself was largely benign, on more than one occasion assisting in the cityís defense without repayment, but many of the No-Life Kings who came later were not so benevolent.

    Class Skills
    Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge: All (Int), Listen (Wis), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str)
    Skills Points at Each Level: 2 + int

    Hit Dice: d10

    {table=head]Level|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|HD|Special

    1st|
    +1
    |
    +2
    |
    +2
    |
    +0
    |
    d10
    |+2 str, No-Life King, Vampiric Weaknesses, Blood is the Currency of the Soul

    2nd|
    +2
    |
    +3
    |
    +3
    |
    +0
    |
    d10
    |Fast Healing 1

    3rd|
    +3
    |
    +3
    |
    +3
    |
    +1
    |
    --
    |Mutable Form, Third Eye

    4th|
    +4
    |
    +4
    |
    +4
    |
    +1
    |
    d10
    |+2 str, +10ft movement, Fast Healing 2

    5th|
    +5
    |
    +4
    |
    +4
    |
    +1
    |
    d10
    |Familiar I

    6th|
    +6
    |
    +5
    |
    +5
    |
    +2
    |
    --
    |+2 dex, Light Fortification, Fast Healing 3

    7th|
    +7
    |
    +5
    |
    +5
    |
    +2
    |
    d10
    |Mutable Form

    8th|
    +8
    |
    +6
    |
    +6
    |
    +2
    |
    --
    |+2 str, Familiar II, Fast Healing 4

    9th|
    +9
    |
    +6
    |
    +6
    |
    +3
    |
    d10
    |+10ft movement

    10th|
    +10
    |
    +7
    |
    +7
    |
    +3
    |
    --
    |Alternate Form, Fast Healing 5

    11th|
    +11
    |
    +7
    |
    +7
    |
    +3
    |
    d10
    |Familiar III

    12th|
    +12
    |
    +8
    |
    +8
    |
    +4
    |
    --
    |Medium Fortification, Third Eye, Fast Healing 6

    13th|
    +13
    |
    +8
    |
    +8
    |
    +4
    |
    d10
    |Lore of the Fallen

    14th|
    +14
    |
    +9
    |
    +9
    |
    +4
    |
    d10
    |+10ft movement, Familiar IV, Fast Healing 7

    15th|
    +15
    |
    +9
    |
    +9
    |
    +5
    |
    --
    |+2 dex

    16th|
    +16
    |
    +10
    |
    +10
    |
    +5
    |
    d10
    |+2 str, Fast Healing 8

    17th|
    +17
    |
    +10
    |
    +10
    |
    +5
    |
    --
    |Familiar V

    18th|
    +18
    |
    +11
    |
    +11
    |
    +6
    |
    d10
    |Heavy Fortification, Fast Healing 9

    19th|
    +19
    |
    +11
    |
    +11
    |
    +6
    |
    d10
    |+10ft movement

    20th|
    +20
    |
    +12
    |
    +12
    |
    +6
    |
    --
    |Familiar VI, The Blood is the Life, Fast Healing 10[/table]

    Weapon Proficiencies: A No-Life King gains proficiency with all simple weapons but no armor.


    No-Life King: A No-Life King does not age, and receives no penalties for aging (though still gaining the benefits to mental stats), nor does she need to eat or breathe. A No-Life King is also not undead as we know the term, and so does not lose her constitution score nor does she gain the immunities common to undead. She may also be healed normally with curative magic.

    Vampiric Weaknesses: A No-Life King is weakened by the following: sunlight, silver, running water and certain other vulnerabilites.

    Sunlight: A No-Life King of 5th level or lower takes d6 damage and receives a -2 check on skills for each round she remains in direct sunlight; a No-Life King of 6-10th level takes only 1 damage a round, and one of 11th or greater takes no damage, only the skill penalty. This damage cannot be healed by the No-Life Kingís fast healing, and must be healed normally, through rest.

    Running Water: No-Life Kings are physically unable to cross running water under their own volition. They must be carried or otherwise ferried across, falling into a sort of torpor from which they cannot awaken while crossing. No-Life Kings of 10th level or greater are not affected by this weakness as their lesser brethren are, though they still may not bear the actual touch of running water, requiring a bridge, flight or similar.

    Silver: Weapons of silver retard the fast healing of a No-Life King. Damage taken from such a weapon is only healed at a rate of 1hp/round, regardless of whatever her fast healing actually is. No-Life Kings of 15th level or greater are not affected by this weakness as their lesser brethren are.

    Earth of the Homeland: A No-Life King is bound in strange ways to the land of her birth. If traveling, she must bring with her soil from her homeland and sleep in it (this may be placed in her coffin, bedroll or other often-used resting place). For each week this condition is not met, the No-Life King receives a cumulative negative level that may not be removed with anything short of a Wish or Limited Wish cast on her behalf. If reduced to level 1 in this way, a No-Life King falls into a torpor from which they can only be roused by the taste and subsequent consumption of virgin blood.

    Blood Drain:
    A No-Life King can suck blood from a living victim with her fangs by making a successful grapple check, dealing 5 points of damage and giving the vampire 5 temporary hit points that last for a number of hours equal to the HD of the victim. If she pins the foe, she drains blood, dealing 1d4 points of Constitution drain each round the pin is maintained.

    Blood is the Currency of the Soul: By draining a humanoid or monstrous humanoid until death, a No-Life King takes their immortal soul into her body. They can no longer be resurrected by anything short of a Wish, Limited Wish or True Resurrection. Even with those spells, the one resurrected returns to a soulless existence; the soul remains in the vampire's keeping. The one resurrected is tormented by the feeling of missing something undefinably precious. The only true way to retrieve the soul is to slay the No-Life King involved. For each opponent drained this way, the No-Life King gains some of their memories (resulting in an untyped +2 to a skill the opponent had in life), another d10 (though her total HD can never be higher than her character level) and a feat that the victim could use in life (this ability can only gain a number of feats equal to 1/3rd of her class levels, rounded down).

    Progeny: All No-Life Kings are of the line of Alucard, once called Dracula. Their blood drain works differently than that of other vampires. When a victim is drained and their soul taken by a No-Life King, the deceased returns within 24 hours as a zombie five levels lower than they were in life. This creature is only barely intelligent (their intelligence is reduced to 3) and follows their masterís orders absolutely. They may only be rescued from this state by slaying the zombie as well as the No-Life King that created them, and then being the target of a resurrection or true resurrection.

    When a virgin is drained to death and then fed a drop of the No-Life Kingís blood, they do not become a zombie, but a No-Life King themselves. They retain levels in any other class previously taken, but may hereafter only advance in the No-Life King class.

    Third Eye: At 3rd level, A No-Life Kingís eyesight is exceptional; she may treat targets of her ranged attacks as though they were two increments closer. At 12th level, she may see through illusions as though under the effects of true seeing.

    Mutable Form: A No-Life Kingís flesh is mutable. She may use the spell Disguise self at-will up to a total number of hours per day equal to her class levels. At 7th level, she may use Alter self instead.

    Speed bonus: At 4th level, and again at 9th, 14th and 19th, a No-Life King gains a 10ft movement bonus to all movement types she possesses.

    Familiar I: At level 5, the No-Life King gains a familiar, though not one like a wizard or sorcerer obtains. Her familiar is an amorphous mass of darkness that may extend from her body as an immediate action. The player chooses the form this darkness takes, though it may be a d6 bite, claw, gore, or slam.

    Familiar II: At level 8, the No-Life Kingís familiar increases in strength. You may choose one of the following: the familiarís reach increases by 5í, the familiarís attack increases by 1 step (as though by the Imp Natural Attack feat), or the No-Life King gains another movement type (flight, burrow, climb), though she cannot use her familiar to attack while using it to move.

    Alternate Form: A No-Life King of 10th level may assume the form of a swarm of bats, centipedes, rats or similar creatures (set when they gain this ability) for a number of hours equal to their class level. When in this form, they lose all other special abilities and gain the natural weapons and extraordinary special attacks of the new form.

    Familiar III: At level 11, the familiar of a No-Life King may gain another natural attack (of the same type as the first, or different), or it may ignore up to 5 DR and/or hardness. She also may instead choose to gain two abilities from any previous Familiar list. In addition, any natural attacks gained via the familiar may be used when using the familiarís alternate movement type.

    Lore of the Fallen: A strong No-Life King can wring more knowledge from the tortured souls which comprise her being. A No-Life King of 13th level gains an ability that works like Bardic Knowledge, the check being 1d20+1 per soul devoured with the Blood Is the Life (A result of 10 is common knowledge, 20 is uncommon, 25 is obscure, and a roll of 30 or higher is extremely obscure).

    Familiar IV: At level 14, the No-Life Kingís familiar may gain the improved grab ability, or the familiar has the Ghost Touch property, or may grapple those under the Freedom of Movement spell (at a -20 modifier). She also may instead choose to gain two abilities from any previous Familiar list.

    Familiar V: At level 17, the No-Life Kingís familiar inflicts a negative level with each strike, or her familiar gains the Greater Multigrab feat (enabling her to have no penalty for maintaining a hold with the body part with which you grappled, leaving her hands and any other familiar natural attacks free), or she may effectively use the Swallow Whole ability with her familiars (drawing her enemy into the familiarís shadowy substance with a successful grapple check if already grappling it). Once done so, the foe takes 2d8+str damage, plus 8 vile damage a round, but may free themselves with a successful grapple check (resulting in them being merely grappled, where they may be Swallowed Whole again) or by doing slashing or piercing damage equal to ľ of the No-Life Kingís total HP (thereby ending the grapple). She also may instead choose to gain two abilities from any previous Familiar list.

    Familiar VI: At level 20, the familiar may instead make a single attack a round that forces a Fort-save (DC 10 + Ĺ class level + cha) or death, or the No-Life Kingís familiar gains the ability to pierce through its enemies and continue on to strike others up to its maximum reach, or a vampire may summon one of his soulsí shadows as a full-round action (the vampire loses one of her familiars for the duration of this ability). This shadow is an exact replica of the soul when it was taken, though its appearance may drip blood, be missing its head, or other suitably gruesome appearance. This shadow will last for a number of rounds equal to the No-Life Kingís HD and may not move beyond 120ft of its master. She also may instead choose to gain three abilities from any previous Familiar list.

    The Blood is the Life: At 20th, a No-Life King may put the souls she has devoured to good use. When she is slain, she may sacrifice one of her bound souls in her place (if this would reduce her number of souls below 9, she begins losing the HD gained from her Blood is the Currency of the Soul ability). When she does so, her body begins to liquefy into a pool of blood, a process which takes 1d4 minutes. Once this is done, she may move freely at a speed of 10ft per round as a mass of blood, or transform into a swarm of bats for a number of rounds no more than her Con modifier. During this time, she cannot attack anyone, nor can she be hurt. At the end of this time, she reforms, regaining HP equal to the number of minutes x10 the process required. She may do this even if her body was vaporized or turned to dust. If she was slain by a thinaun weapon or otherwise had her soul removed, she loses an additional soul from her stock, effectively requiring two souls to come back to life.
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    Seems interesting however I'm not so sure about the no life king effect at first level the player can chose to be vernerable and begin play with +2 str, +3 int, +3 wis, and +3 cha I am not so sure how you could level this out but it seems like its a little top-heavy.

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    Hellsing, always cool. Peach time!

    Quote Originally Posted by dyslexicfaser View Post
    Hit Dice: d10

    {table=head]Level|[b]Ba
    Weapon Proficiencies: A No-Life King gains proficiency with all simple weapons but no armor.
    HD seems fine, table looks good, proficiencies fine for a class that will probably very quickly rely on natural attacks. One question though: What's with the HD column in the table? Does this class sometimes not get it's HD? That's weird and shouldn't happen.

    No-Life King: A No-Life King does not age, and receives no penalties for aging (though still gaining the benefits to mental stats), nor does she need to eat or breathe. A No-Life King is also not undead as we know the term, and so does not lose her constitution score nor does she gain the immunities common to undead. She may also be healed normally with curative magic.
    ... Well, I'm never playing this as anything other than venerable, then. No real reason not to. The entry on undead-ness seems unnecessary. Is he undead typed? If not, then the second half of this doesn't need to exist, it's just confusing. You just say that they aren't undead, and thus don't get the benefits of being undead. Ok? Makes sense. I never was lead to believe it was undead >.>

    Vampiric Weaknesses: A No-Life King is weakened by the following: sunlight, silver, running water and certain other vulnerabilites.
    K.

    Sunlight: A No-Life King of 5th level or lower takes d6 damage and receives a -2 check on skills for each round she remains in direct sunlight; a No-Life King of 6-10th level takes only 1 damage a round, and one of 11th or greater takes no damage, only the skill penalty. This damage cannot be healed by the No-Life Kingís fast healing, and must be healed normally, through rest.
    This makes the class almost unplayable for 11 levels. A round is roughly 6 seconds, so even 1 damage/round makes daytime travel/normal everyday life nearly impossible, which is a big deal for a DnD character. Again, the main benefit you have from this class so far is... you can be really old and not worry about it. I mean, level 1 I walk outside and die, and forget any combat, even if we allow parasols.

    Running Water: No-Life Kings are physically unable to cross running water under their own volition. They must be carried or otherwise ferried across, falling into a sort of torpor from which they cannot awaken while crossing. No-Life Kings of 10th level or greater are not affected by this weakness as their lesser brethren are, though they still may not bear the actual touch of running water, requiring a bridge, flight or similar.
    Weird, but not as crippling as the sunlight thing.

    Silver: Weapons of silver retard the fast healing of a No-Life King. Damage taken from such a weapon is only healed at a rate of 1hp/round, regardless of whatever her fast healing actually is. No-Life Kings of 15th level or greater are not affected by this weakness as their lesser brethren are.
    This is fine.

    Earth of the Homeland: A No-Life King is bound in strange ways to the land of her birth. If traveling, she must bring with her soil from her homeland and sleep in it (this may be placed in her coffin, bedroll or other often-used resting place). For each week this condition is not met, the No-Life King receives a cumulative negative level that may not be removed with anything short of a Wish or Limited Wish cast on her behalf. If reduced to level 1 in this way, a No-Life King falls into a torpor from which they can only be roused by the taste and subsequent consumption of virgin blood.
    So what happens if I get some soil back midway through the process? Do I get my levels back? Or only through wishes? Again, this is really nasty penalty just for playing a class. These weaknesses are thematic and all, but in play, they're just crazy restricting for just picking this class. A sorcerer has to keep a pouch of components onhand or he'll be restricted to only a few spells. This class can only travel at night, can't cross any amount of running water, and if his pack gets stolen that has his dirt, needs a Wish spell to get back to normal. Harsh.

    Blood Drain:
    A No-Life King can suck blood from a living victim with her fangs by making a successful grapple check, dealing 5 points of damage and giving the vampire 5 temporary hit points that last for a number of hours equal to the HD of the victim. If she pins the foe, she drains blood, dealing 1d4 points of Constitution drain each round the pin is maintained.
    Does this scale at all? Otherwise, it becomes really useless really fast. Like level 3 or so. Earlier if you have a good Str score and some potions.

    Blood is the Currency of the Soul: By draining a humanoid or monstrous humanoid until death, a No-Life King takes their immortal soul into her body. They can no longer be resurrected by anything short of a Wish, Limited Wish or True Resurrection. Even with those spells, the one resurrected returns to a soulless existence; the soul remains in the vampire's keeping. The one resurrected is tormented by the feeling of missing something undefinably precious. The only true way to retrieve the soul is to slay the No-Life King involved. For each opponent drained this way, the No-Life King gains some of their memories (resulting in an untyped +2 to a skill the opponent had in life), another d10 (though her total HD can never be higher than her character level) and a feat that the victim could use in life (this ability can only gain a number of feats equal to 1/3rd of her class levels, rounded down).
    o.O ok, maybe it'll be useful longer than I thought. Question though: assuming you get a HD every level, like normal, you'll never get the health benefit of this ability. This also leads to interesting problems as to how much adventuring the PC has done before a campaign started when it comes to how many skill boni and feats he starts out with. Does this only work if the only thing I used to kill them is the drain ability? Or does that just need to get the last hit?

    This has the potential to be pretty freaking insanely good. Nearly impossible to balance right.

    Progeny: All No-Life Kings are of the line of Alucard, once called Dracula. Their blood drain works differently than that of other vampires. When a victim is drained and their soul taken by a No-Life King, the deceased returns within 24 hours as a zombie five levels lower than they were in life. This creature is only barely intelligent (their intelligence is reduced to 3) and follows their masterís orders absolutely. They may only be rescued from this state by slaying the zombie as well as the No-Life King that created them, and then being the target of a resurrection or true resurrection.

    When a virgin is drained to death and then fed a drop of the No-Life Kingís blood, they do not become a zombie, but a No-Life King themselves. They retain levels in any other class previously taken, but may hereafter only advance in the No-Life King class.
    So what if I drain a monster to death? Or someone else with no class levels? This plays right back into the other ability in being almost impossible to balance properly. Basically free undead at your discretion. A horde of low-level zombies is still a horde of zombies, especially if you let stuff like the Corpsecrafter feat apply.

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    Third Eye: At 3rd level, A No-Life Kingís eyesight is exceptional; she may treat targets of her ranged attacks as though they were two increments closer. At 12th level, she may see through illusions as though under the effects of true seeing.
    [/quote

    Fine.

    Mutable Form: A No-Life Kingís flesh is mutable. She may use the spell Disguise self at-will up to a total number of hours per day equal to her class levels. At 7th level, she may use Alter self instead.
    Fine, but with the usual Alter Self concerns.

    Speed bonus: At 4th level, and again at 9th, 14th and 19th, a No-Life King gains a 10ft movement bonus to all movement types she possesses.
    What type is the speed bonus? Otherwise fine.

    Familiar I: At level 5, the No-Life King gains a familiar, though not one like a wizard or sorcerer obtains. Her familiar is an amorphous mass of darkness that may extend from her body as an immediate action. The player chooses the form this darkness takes, though it may be a d6 bite, claw, gore, or slam.
    ... Random. I suddenly gain... a natural attack? How does this work with my other attacks? Consider renaming it. Yes, I know why, but when there is already something vastly different called a familiar, this'll only be confusing.

    Familiar II: At level 8, the No-Life Kingís familiar increases in strength. You may choose one of the following: the familiarís reach increases by 5í, the familiarís attack increases by 1 step (as though by the Imp Natural Attack feat), or the No-Life King gains another movement type (flight, burrow, climb), though she cannot use her familiar to attack while using it to move.
    Fine.

    Alternate Form: A No-Life King of 10th level may assume the form of a swarm of bats, centipedes, rats or similar creatures (set when they gain this ability) for a number of hours equal to their class level. When in this form, they lose all other special abilities and gain the natural weapons and extraordinary special attacks of the new form.
    Fine.

    Familiar III: At level 11, the familiar of a No-Life King may gain another natural attack (of the same type as the first, or different), or it may ignore up to 5 DR and/or hardness. She also may instead choose to gain two abilities from any previous Familiar list. In addition, any natural attacks gained via the familiar may be used when using the familiarís alternate movement type.
    ... you really need to elaborate more on the familiar. The way it was described earlier, it just sounded like a special natural attack the No-Life King got. Now I don't know for sure.

    Lore of the Fallen: A strong No-Life King can wring more knowledge from the tortured souls which comprise her being. A No-Life King of 13th level gains an ability that works like Bardic Knowledge, the check being 1d20+1 per soul devoured with the Blood Is the Life (A result of 10 is common knowledge, 20 is uncommon, 25 is obscure, and a roll of 30 or higher is extremely obscure).
    Fine... with the caveat of the drain boni problem.

    Familiar IV: At level 14, the No-Life Kingís familiar may gain the improved grab ability, or the familiar has the Ghost Touch property, or may grapple those under the Freedom of Movement spell (at a -20 modifier). She also may instead choose to gain two abilities from any previous Familiar list.
    This is... weird. You need to elaborate much more on the familiar. Much much more. How is my familiar grappling things? Does it have a strength score? Any stats at all? I'm lost.

    Familiar V: At level 17, the No-Life Kingís familiar inflicts a negative level with each strike, or her familiar gains the Greater Multigrab feat (enabling her to have no penalty for maintaining a hold with the body part with which you grappled, leaving her hands and any other familiar natural attacks free), or she may effectively use the Swallow Whole ability with her familiars (drawing her enemy into the familiarís shadowy substance with a successful grapple check if already grappling it). Once done so, the foe takes 2d8+str damage, plus 8 vile damage a round, but may free themselves with a successful grapple check (resulting in them being merely grappled, where they may be Swallowed Whole again) or by doing slashing or piercing damage equal to ľ of the No-Life Kingís total HP (thereby ending the grapple). She also may instead choose to gain two abilities from any previous Familiar list.
    The Swallowed Whole stuff is really, really good. If I had any idea how to go about doing so, I'd pump my familiar's grapple ability and just eat everything, since there's no listed size limitations.

    Familiar VI: At level 20, the familiar may instead make a single attack a round that forces a Fort-save (DC 10 + Ĺ class level + cha) or death, or the No-Life Kingís familiar gains the ability to pierce through its enemies and continue on to strike others up to its maximum reach, or a vampire may summon one of his soulsí shadows as a full-round action (the vampire loses one of her familiars for the duration of this ability). This shadow is an exact replica of the soul when it was taken, though its appearance may drip blood, be missing its head, or other suitably gruesome appearance. This shadow will last for a number of rounds equal to the No-Life Kingís HD and may not move beyond 120ft of its master. She also may instead choose to gain three abilities from any previous Familiar list.
    Whoa whoa whoa, since when do I have multiple familiars? Also, the save-or-die is the best option here. I already have shadowy nomming on their strength score, shadows are too squishy at this level to do much good anyway.

    The Blood is the Life: At 20th, a No-Life King may put the souls she has devoured to good use. When she is slain, she may sacrifice one of her bound souls in her place (if this would reduce her number of souls below 9, she begins losing the HD gained from her Blood is the Currency of the Soul ability). When she does so, her body begins to liquefy into a pool of blood, a process which takes 1d4 minutes. Once this is done, she may move freely at a speed of 10ft per round as a mass of blood, or transform into a swarm of bats for a number of rounds no more than her Con modifier. During this time, she cannot attack anyone, nor can she be hurt. At the end of this time, she reforms, regaining HP equal to the number of minutes x10 the process required. She may do this even if her body was vaporized or turned to dust. If she was slain by a thinaun weapon or otherwise had her soul removed, she loses an additional soul from her stock, effectively requiring two souls to come back to life.
    If you've found good ways to get souls in you (like say, eating housecats or chickens. They work by your ability) then you're basically immortal forever with this. That's probably what you're going for, but I just thought I'd point it out.

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    I love the theme, but what happens if I use a soul which gave me a prerequisite for another feat (if I killed someone to get spell focus conjuration and then got augment summoning) to stop my death? Does the feat vanish, or do I have to sacrifice the highest level soul? And since untyped bonuses stack, can't I just go on a rampage and kill hunredes of peasents (making a small army of zombies) and gain some ungodly bonus to craft?

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    I see I'm going to need to fiddle with this class. Thanks for the feedback, though.

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    HD seems fine, table looks good, proficiencies fine for a class that will probably very quickly rely on natural attacks. One question though: What's with the HD column in the table? Does this class sometimes not get it's HD? That's weird and shouldn't happen.
    I did it that way because Savage Species did it that way for its racial progression classes; it's supposed to simulate taking LA every now and again. So yeah, this guy only gets 12 HD by level 20, but if he drains some people he can get back up to normal without too much effort.

    ... Well, I'm never playing this as anything other than venerable, then. No real reason not to.
    I should have realized any half-decent powergamer would do that. Consider it fixed when I get around to it.

    The entry on undead-ness seems unnecessary. Is he undead typed? If not, then the second half of this doesn't need to exist, it's just confusing. You just say that they aren't undead, and thus don't get the benefits of being undead. Ok? Makes sense. I never was lead to believe it was undead >.>
    I guess I figured I needed to say it, since a No-Life King is a kind of vampire. Consider it fixed.

    This makes the class almost unplayable for 11 levels. A round is roughly 6 seconds, so even 1 damage/round makes daytime travel/normal everyday life nearly impossible, which is a big deal for a DnD character. Again, the main benefit you have from this class so far is... you can be really old and not worry about it. I mean, level 1 I walk outside and die, and forget any combat, even if we allow parasols.
    This is actually toned down from the original DnD vampire sunlight vulnerability, which is a two-turn insta-death. But I always thought that was stupid. I'll see what I can come up with. Maybe just working the big black cloak look will get you off.

    So what happens if I get some soil back midway through the process? Do I get my levels back? Or only through wishes? Again, this is really nasty penalty just for playing a class. These weaknesses are thematic and all, but in play, they're just crazy restricting for just picking this class. A sorcerer has to keep a pouch of components onhand or he'll be restricted to only a few spells. This class can only travel at night, can't cross any amount of running water, and if his pack gets stolen that has his dirt, needs a Wish spell to get back to normal. Harsh.
    Maybe a lower level spell could remove it... Remove Curse, or something... it fits with Hellsing, but keeping true to source material shouldn't keep people from enjoying the class.

    And yeah, I intended it so that if you get the dirt back (or more dirt), one full night of sleep will restore you.

    This also leads to interesting problems as to how much adventuring the PC has done before a campaign started when it comes to how many skill boni and feats he starts out with. Does this only work if the only thing I used to kill them is the drain ability? Or does that just need to get the last hit?
    You'd need to hash that out with your DM, I guess.

    And yes, just finishing them with a pin-and-drain will make them your zombie bitch was the plan.

    So what if I drain a monster to death? Or someone else with no class levels? This plays right back into the other ability in being almost impossible to balance properly. Basically free undead at your discretion. A horde of low-level zombies is still a horde of zombies, especially if you let stuff like the Corpsecrafter feat apply.
    Also a salient point. I think it would need to be sentient, but lots of monsters are. Uhh... I'll get back to you on that one.

    The zombie thing isn't all that awesome, really, except at really low levels. All kinds of playable undead can make things like that.

    What type is the speed bonus? Otherwise fine.
    I'm thinking enhancement.

    ... Random. I suddenly gain... a natural attack? How does this work with my other attacks? Consider renaming it. Yes, I know why, but when there is already something vastly different called a familiar, this'll only be confusing.
    Now accepting suggestions on names?

    It's probably fuzzy cuz I'm not all that sure on how the Hellsing familiars work. Basically it's just some shadowy thing that her body turns into that can hurt people. The idea of multiple familiars is from Alucard being able to basically fill a room with his spooky eyeball-shadow stuff.

    This is... weird. You need to elaborate much more on the familiar. Much much more. How is my familiar grappling things? Does it have a strength score? Any stats at all? I'm lost.
    I worded that poorly. The way this was envisaged was that it would be grappling as normal, merely with your shadow stuff, just as Improved Grab lets you grapple with a bite or claw.

    The Swallowed Whole stuff is really, really good. If I had any idea how to go about doing so, I'd pump my familiar's grapple ability and just eat everything, since there's no listed size limitations.
    Size limitation might help, although the natural bonus for big things to grapple would probably keep them safe.

    Whoa whoa whoa, since when do I have multiple familiars? Also, the save-or-die is the best option here. I already have shadowy nomming on their strength score, shadows are too squishy at this level to do much good anyway.
    The level 11+ Familiar abilities let you add a new natural attack; a new 'familiar'. Also not worded as well as it could be. The shadow is not a D&D shadow, merely one of the people you ate. It's like summoning a critter that is a bit weak but can't be killed, making a pretty neat meatshield.

    If you've found good ways to get souls in you (like say, eating housecats or chickens. They work by your ability) then you're basically immortal forever with this. That's probably what you're going for, but I just thought I'd point it out.
    Note to self; put in bit that says it needs to be... maybe things with an Int score of 3+? In my D&D, housecats do not contain souls. Unicorns and other 'smart' animals would. This point may be open to argument, I know.

    Thanks again for the long review.


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    I love the theme, but what happens if I use a soul which gave me a prerequisite for another feat (if I killed someone to get spell focus conjuration and then got augment summoning) to stop my death? Does the feat vanish, or do I have to sacrifice the highest level soul? And since untyped bonuses stack, can't I just go on a rampage and kill hunredes of peasents (making a small army of zombies) and gain some ungodly bonus to craft?
    I guess if you killed a crafter's guild or something. It'd be pretty tricky, since you'd have to pin them down one by one, drain them to death, then rinse and repeat, and hope the city doesn't notice the sudden absence of most of its artisans and link it with you suddenly walking around with a new horde of (recognizable) zombies.

    I'll figure out a way to clarify the soul thing; I was basically going for being able to sacrifice 'useless' extra souls first and leaving the ones granting feats and HD last.
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    I wanted to say something sooner but I just didn't have the time. So, the class looks pretty good and I approve of it's awesome base!

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    one of my questions about this is how much gold do they start off with (idk if there is a set amount per class in 3.5, but there is in Pathfinder)

    Also, isn't the Negative Levels per hit Familiar upgrade at lvl 17 overpowered, you can kill a tarrasque in 25 hits without a need fora wish due to the rules saying that if a creature has a number of negative levels equal to their HD, they die, it seems like it should only be on a crit that it takes effect, also shouldn't they have a few martial weapon proficiencies to keep them alive before they get to lvl 5?

    Also, when it says that you can take two things from a previous Familiar list, does it mean only things that you haven't chosen before, because at lvl 11 someone could have 3 natural attacks, easily.

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    The Tarrasque is immune to energy drain and negative levels, as are many high level enemies.

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    The Tarrasque is immune to energy drain and negative levels, as are many high level enemies.
    Thank you, my brother thought that these guys could easily kill a Tarrasque, and had that removed as one of the changes i did to this class to make it less overpowered for his next Pathfinder campaign (though i did add a few thinks like Darkvision)

    Also how much gold does this class start off with, or i can just come up with an amount, maybe the amount a fighter gets

    Also, i have to say that I'm surprised someone replied to this, with this thread being 2 years old and me just randomly coming across it
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    -The Earth of the Homeland weakness says "If reduced to level 1 in this way, a No-Life King falls into a torpor from which they can only be roused by the taste and subsequent consumption of virgin blood." Shouldn't that be "if reduced below level 1"?
    -If total HD cannot exceed character level, and character level is equal to levels in all classes (and therefore HD), what good is the extra hit die? Unless you meant HD from that ability, in which case you should probably say so.
    -The whole "drained becomes a zombie" thing is not at all like normal zombies: Normal zombies are mindless (no INT score) and can never take class levels. You should pick a different type, or make your own.
    -The Alternate Form ability presumably works like the usual Alternate Form ability, so you only have to specify any differences (such as the eligible types of forms and the loss of other class features.)
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