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    Hey there Playgrounders,

    I was hoping that you could help sort out some confussion when it comes to Hellbred that my group is having. I was wondering if it is a race or a template. The reason we're confussed is because it says something about retaining languages from previous race (AFB atm). And if it is a template what is the LA on it?

    thanks in advance for the help.

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    Hellbred is a race. It like the Elan, has the fluff of being a creature that underwent a transformation which annulled its previous class and racial abilities.
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    What book is it in?

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    It is a race. While they are generally based on another race in terms of fluff (usually humans), the idea is that the archdevil's bid to seize them twists them so much that they lose just about everything they had in common with their former lives.

    EDIT: They are in FC2.
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    Hellbred are a race. The retaining language bit is mostly flavour and its up to your Dm to what exstend you can abuse it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    Hellbred is a race. It like the Elan, has the fluff of being a creature that underwent a transformation which annulled its previous class and racial abilities.
    Elan's a bard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Epic View Post
    Elan's a bard.
    *swats pun*
    *posts link*

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    Thanks loads guys!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimystik View Post
    *swats pun*
    *posts link*
    So is there a D&D creature called a "Nale" that's the linear opposite of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Epic View Post
    So is there a D&D creature called a "Nale" that's the linear opposite of that?
    Not anymore, they were too short-lived.
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    Of course, the best part is the description in the book about how to roleplay a hellbred, "sulk often." Yes, that's right, D&D supports being an emo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenish View Post
    Not anymore, they were too short-lived.
    Indeed, the polar opposite of Elans would be a race that was always a stillborn. AAAAHHHHH! Now I'm thinking of FATAL anakim! Stupid funny campaign journal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn183 View Post
    Of course, the best part is the description in the book about how to roleplay a hellbred, "sulk often." Yes, that's right, D&D supports being an emo.
    Emo makes good for monk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Epic View Post
    So is there a D&D creature called a "Nale" that's the linear opposite of that?
    Rich didn't invent the word elan, you know
    Though it does fit the character more than the race.

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    Of course, the best part is the description in the book about how to roleplay a hellbred, "sulk often." Yes, that's right, D&D supports being an emo.
    I love those "how to roleplay X" segments. Kalashtar basically tells you to be a Cloudcuckoolander.

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    Think in terms of the dragonborn only less broken. . a humanoid race, Dwarf, Elf, Human etc. is taken to hell and tranformed ala Spawn, only not quite so ugly. . .

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    His physical form is that of a humanoid with
    dark red, smooth skin, or sometimes green scales.
    A hellbred usually has horns, though their exact
    form varies. He might have a single horn in the
    center of his forehead, a pair of short, stubby horns,
    or large horns similar to those of a ram. His eyes
    shine with a sinister, red glow. These physical
    aspects are a parting gift from a hellbredís onetime
    diabolic masters, serving as a reminder of the sins of his
    previous life.
    While a hellbredís outer body is a product of Hell, his inner
    mind and soul are purged and cleaned by the powers of good.
    He retains shadowy, vague memories of his past. The sight of
    a onetime ally or enemy triggers a vague sense of unease or
    pain, but details or exact memories are no more than shards
    of a split second of the past. Freed from the burden of guilt
    and the infl uences of those who drove him to evil, a hellbred
    is free to seek his own path.



    Notice that the description lacks a size modifier. . . . i and Dm's i've played with have always basically said, you loose everything that you were, but there has been dispute over if you would change size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowsGrnEyes View Post
    Think in terms of the dragonborn only less broken. .
    Dragonborn are broken now?

    And anyway, as has been said, hellbred are a race, not a template. When they kick you out of nine hells, they'll stuff your soul into a humanoid-shaped, roughly human-sized package. Since you're avoiding going to hells, not many complain about the squeezing.
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    Well, the sample one is medium, so I assumed they all were, but you're right in that it doesn't truly specify.

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    that was another reason we were confussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenish View Post
    Dragonborn are broken now?
    Only when someone plays a dragonborn Raptoran who both flies and has a breath weapon (a breath weapon that is better than some class features and stronger than level adjusted races special abilities)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowsGrnEyes View Post
    Only when someone plays a dragonborn Raptoran who both flies and has a breath weapon (a breath weapon that is better than some class features and stronger than level adjusted races special abilities)
    Many classes get limited flight by level 6, and everyone flies (or loses) by level 12.

    As for the breath weapon, well, I can't think of any class feature one that'd be weaker (Dragon Shaman's starts a bit weaker, but catches up and goes past). Of other templates that grant a breath weapon, well, half-dragons are a joke anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenish View Post
    Of other templates that grant a breath weapon, well, half-dragons are a joke anyway.
    yes yes they are. but beyond breath weapon there are many level adjusted races weaker than dragon born. . . look at tiefling. . (3.5 tiefling). . . look at aasimar. . . heck look at gensai. . .
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    yes yes they are. but beyond breath weapon there are many level adjusted races weaker than dragon born. . . look at tiefling. . (3.5 tiefling). . . look at aasimar. . . heck look at gensai. . .
    I don't know about genasi in 3.5 but Tiefling and Aasimar are awesome for the simple fact they are outsiders, hello alter self and eventually polymorph into powerful outsiders, hello martial weapon proficiency, hello gish (tiefling) CoDzilla (Aasimar) so no I don't think those are underpowered compared to Dragonborn
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowsGrnEyes View Post
    there are many level adjusted races weaker than dragon born. . . look at tiefling. . (3.5 tiefling). . . look at aasimar. . .
    Weird examples. If you don't think being outsider is worth the LA, you can just make lesser versions of those races.

    There are races that have more LA than they deserve (*cough*hobgoblin*cough*), but that's hardly an argument against dragonborn.
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    Hellbred is definitely a race, despite the confusing fluff text that indicates otherwise. The "retain languages known" thing is very poorly worded and ill thought out.

    "Hey Mr. DM, my new 1st level Hellbred character was a 20th level Bard before he was reborn, so he knows every language evah!"

    Dragonborn is another pet peeve of mine. It's the amazing "template that isn't". 1/2 template, 1/2 race; all headache.
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    yes yes they are. but beyond breath weapon there are many level adjusted races weaker than dragon born. . . look at tiefling. . (3.5 tiefling). . . look at aasimar. . . heck look at gensai. . .
    Prime example: Hobgoblin. +2 DEX, +2 CON, darkvision. Yeah, that's about all your +1 LA gets you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Prime example: Hobgoblin. +2 DEX, +2 CON, darkvision. Yeah, that's about all your +1 LA gets you.
    Oh, the injustice! They also get +4 Move Silently! It's balanced, can't you see? /snark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    "Hey Mr. DM, my new 1st level Hellbred character was a 19th level Bard/1st level druid before he was reborn, so he knows every language evah!"
    Fixed. You weren't thinking munchkinely enough.
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    The druidic mindset isn't suitable for most characters, so the roleplaying restrictions entailed by such a concept wouldn't be worth the extra language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foryn Gilnith View Post
    The druidic mindset isn't suitable for most characters, so the roleplaying restrictions entailed by such a concept wouldn't be worth the extra language.
    You're not thinking munchkinely enough, either.

    Anyway, says hellbred description: "He retains shadowy, vague memories of his past. The sight of a onetime ally or enemy triggers a vague sense of unease or pain, but details or exact memories are no more than shards of a split second of the past. Freed from the burden of guilt and the influences of those who drove him to evil, a hellbred is free to seek his own path."

    So ditch the druidic mindset, it evidently didn't work out too well since you ended up in the hells.
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    sorry guys, just one more Q on the Hellbred... Is there an LA on it? not sure if i missed it or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobdrazhar View Post
    sorry guys, just one more Q on the Hellbred... Is there an LA on it?
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