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    Quote Originally Posted by true_shinken View Post
    I get Perform from Draconic Heritage: battle dragon. You guys missed on that.
    No, we didn't. Akal Saris caught it at the top of last page.
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    I believe Shen's build is legal actually. He took Silverbrow human and the substitution level for sorcerer that trades its familiar for Draconic Heritage. Draconic Heritage: Battle Dragon gives sorcerers perform as a class skill if I recall, so he can reach the max ranks.
    Oh, and saying who you entered is a bit frowned upon.
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    As far as 'USe of the Secret Ingredient' goes, I was more flexible about it than arguskos and Hand_of_Vecna. I'm of the opinion that a good build takes what it needs from a PrC and then gets out, so the 7/7 split builds didn't bother me as long as they actually used the MoM well.

    I probably would have graded Keiji higher if he had left MoM 2 levels earlier and gotten 9th level spells from AoP, actually, since that makes more sense than stopping at 9, 1 away from the capstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Vorpal Tribble View Post
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    Anyways, I can understand for most classes the problem with using less or equal levels of an alternative class than the secret ingredient (I felt similar pangs judging the last), however, in a build like Master of Masks where there is little improvement with added levels, mainly just more options, I can see where there really isn't all that much need to go the full 10.

    Once you get the masks you want that blends best with the rest of the build you might as well say it capped at the point of usefulness as there really is no 'cap' to Master of Masks. No comfortable 'I've graduated' moment. Beyond that you're throwing in levels simply to coincide with the contest, not because it improves the strength or elegance or even creativity.

    As well, many PrC's end at levels lower than 10. If the challenge included one of those that only went 5 levels, or, heck 3 levels in a few cases, how would you work that out?
    When I was running it, I deliberately didn't use any classes shorter than 10 levels. I assume Prinny will be doing the same.
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    When I was running it, I deliberately didn't use any classes shorter than 10 levels. I assume Prinny will be doing the same.
    IIRC, at least one of the Iron Chefs over at BG was for a shorter PrC.
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    Yeah, Iron Chef 2 was Ordained Champion (5 levels). Caelic was hosting and completely disappeared though, so the contest was never completed.
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    Except that many masks upgrade the longer you take Master of Masks. You get more spells, more bonuses, etc.
    True, but if I recall that was only until 8th level...

    Hmm, I didn't notice it increased up to 10th level. Still, not sure the benefits of 3 levels of waiting for them are worth it. Most of the 10th level stuff wouldn't be a whole lot better than just taking 3 more levels of your casting class.

    I mean, it'd be like going on to Iron Chef America, getting a secret ingredient like, say, an entire pig, and ignoring half the pig. Yeah, you CAN, but it's not very classy.
    I saw it more as you've gone and made this fabulous roast pork dinner and as everyone is finishing up going, 'Well, we got us leftovers, so here's some hog jowls and chitlin's for dessert!'

    Still edible, but let's have some pie instead.

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    IIRC, at least one of the Iron Chefs over at BG was for a shorter PrC.
    BG?
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    BG?
    Brilliant Gameologists, where I first saw these Iron Chef PrC competitions take place.
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    The have several subforums, but the important forum is the D&D 3.5 character optimization one. It's where my handbooks are hosted.
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    When I was running it, I deliberately didn't use any classes shorter than 10 levels. I assume Prinny will be doing the same.
    You got that right. Any less than 10 is hard to devote a build to.
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    Is there any thought on the next secret ingredient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by true_shinken View Post
    Is there any thought on the next secret ingredient?
    Yes. Yes there is. I've seen two people independently suggest the same thing, so I'll be going with that unless I find something too good to pass up.
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    Oh boy, I hope somebody else also suggested Slaad Brooder!
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    Oh boy, I hope somebody else also suggested Slaad Brooder!
    I bet it's Hidecarved Dragon.
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    Oh boy, I hope somebody else also suggested Slaad Brooder!
    Where do you find THAT?

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    Where do you find THAT?
    Savage Species.

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    Savage Species.
    Geeze...

    That's the one monster book I've never read through... but am now. Know what's the creepiest about that class, is that instead of referring to the base creature as 'she' like most PrC's do, the 'implanter' is a 'He'.

    Add on the pseudonatural template and you got yourself a build worthy of any pervy japanese tentacle fic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Vorpal Tribble View Post
    Geeze...

    That's the one monster book I've never read through... but am now. Know what's the creepiest about that class, is that instead of referring to the base creature as 'she' like most PrC's do, the 'implanter' is a 'He'.

    Add on the pseudonatural template and you got yourself a build worthy of any pervy japanese tentacle fic.
    Slaad tend towards male. In fact, I think they're all male.

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    Pssh. Silly monster class. I suggested Squire of Legend :P (incidently, about 1/2 way through scoring).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias9 View Post
    Pssh. Silly monster class. I suggested Squire of Legend :P (incidently, about 1/2 way through scoring).
    Spoiler Alert: I'm not using that. The answer to "What can be done with a 3 level class?" is "Whatever the **** you want."
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    well, we already have one Iron Chef with a side of Mindbender... what do you say to making it the main course?
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    I will say, right now, that the next secret ingredient will be a 1/2 casting class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private-Prinny View Post
    You got that right. Any less than 10 is hard to devote a build to.
    I thought the builds explicitly don't have to be a 20 level character. I was hoping to see some contests where that came into play.

    Anyhoo, I have to go grade some oral exams now. I should have the scores posted by tomorrow-- sorry that I'm being a tad slower than the other judges.
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    The idea of the level breakdowns is so that you make a build that's playable at all levels. A lot of level 20 builds are rubbish until they hit 20 and everything suddenly falls into place. The idea behind this contest is that your character be playable all the way from 1 to 20.
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    I will say, right now, that the next secret ingredient will be a 1/2 casting class.
    Not GSA, not GSA, not GSA.

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    I think it might well be GSA. I did see it mentioned a couple times...
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    *cries*
    *Starts rolling up a GSA*

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    I think it might well be GSA. I did see it mentioned a couple times...
    I can think of a couple other likely suspects...
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    lol.... you don't like Great Sea corsair?(ShS 26)
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    @Ozy: Don't worry too much: we're used to long wait and this time we're gladly stunned by judges' quickness. So you're not so in late
    By the way, I guess we miss another judge

    And what the hell is a GSA?

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    And what the hell is a GSA?
    Green Star Adept. Open your Complete Arcane to page 41 and gaze upon the horror.

    Hmm... I wonder what would happen if someone was a Warforged GSA...
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