D&D 3.5 Tyranid Monster Class v0.2.3 - PEACH

[Dead_Jester]

Shoot! Foiled again. :( If only it wasn't... and you could have as many limbs as you wanted...

We really need to make a system to make Chaos Spawns, they don't care about such puny things as physics and maximum amount of limbs ...

[Lix Lorn]

We need to start going through all the different Nids and stat them up.

[Dead_Jester]

We need to start going through all the different Nids and stat them up.

Before we do that, we need to decide on which edition. There have been Nids in every single edition of WH40k, including the first one, and their stats change every time.

[2xMachina]

I see 1 abuse lol.

Kensai.

All my natural weapons are now enchanted with +1 +9 enhancements.

[Duskranger]

That's no abuse since the Tyranid also gets enhancement points which can be spended for that.

By the way can you take the double the ability point enhancement (of 1 LA) multiple times or only once and if you can take it twice does it double the points or only give you the starting number tripled. If it doubles it gives you:

1LA = 2/lvl
2LA = 4/lvl
3LA = 8/lvl
4LA = 16/lvl

In that case who needs that amount of levels you will get every levekl 16 points to divide on to your stats.

I would say put in the list a thing that says that those kind of enhancements can only be taken once. Because like you see I can make a ECL 10 monster this way with 6 levels that has gotten to divide: 16*6 =96 points in his abilityscores.

[whoiam]

Standard doubling rules for 3.5 apply - two doublings is a tripling, three is a quadrupling, etc.

[Duskranger]

Oke, but still it's not written and therefore abusable. I know you can't delete every bit thats abusable out of it. But some things can be caught away by this sort questions. Lucky us

[2xMachina]

The way I read it, each Natural Weapon needs a separate enhancement point.

Kensai enhances ALL of them. But yes, with say, 8 limbs, it costs you 100%+10% per limb xp. Which is a lot.

[NecroticPunch]

That could get... annoying.

[2xMachina]

What is? The Kensai? The separate enhancements?

(Personally, I feel the separate enhancements suffer from the TWF problem. Costs too dang much to enchant all your weapons to ECL appropriate levels)

[whoiam]

What is? The Kensai? The separate enhancements?

(Personally, I feel the separate enhancements suffer from the TWF problem. Costs too dang much to enchant all your weapons to ECL appropriate levels)

*grin* I was thinking much the same myself. Actually, I was thinking about switching it to a 'all natural weapons can be enchanted up to level X' system, and then slowing the progression down to match...

[Kredine]

Hey there, any chance you could elaborate on damage dealt by limbs etc, I'd love to use these but I are mildly confused. :)

[NecroticPunch]

It's the same as the weapon you are emulating.

[Kredine]

But what if you haven't taken the natural weapon thing? It says an attack can be made with each limb not used for movement, what damage would they do?

[NecroticPunch]

If they aren't being used for movement, they are a weapon. A ( natural ) weapon.

[whoiam]

If you haven't taken a natural weapon on that limb, then they count as part of your unarmed attack, as per any other character's hands and legs.

[2xMachina]

... I don't think you can use non-Natural weapon limbs as Natural weapon.

Think of it as you hands. You deal unarmed damage by punching them without your claws. In this, no natural weapon = unarmed attack.

EDIT: Ninja

[Kredine]

Thank you whoiam that was what I was after. :) Thanks alot. Great work you've done here, it's fantastic :)

[NecroticPunch]

Ok, we should totally get some stuff to decrease/increase sizes.

[2xMachina]

There is the +1LA for size increase.

Me? I prefer to tack in Half Minotaur. Or Half Orge.

[whoiam]

If there wasn't already evidence in canon that Tyranids *did* steal traits from encountered species, I'd have put in a rule that said every Tyranid has to be a pure strain Tyranid:p

At least my other current homebrew (D&D treatment for Terminators:D) gets to have a rule like that.

[NecroticPunch]

There should be rules for the Tyranid who are far more powerful than other ie: Hive Tyrants.

[2xMachina]

Yeah, some templates are pretty powerful.

Dark/Shadow is great for sneaks.
Half-ogre/minotaur/Goristro is great for melee
Feral is good for Fast Healing (and with RHD, Imp. Grab/Pounce/Rake/Rend)

[Lord Badguy]

*grin* I was thinking much the same myself. Actually, I was thinking about switching it to a 'all natural weapons can be enchanted up to level X' system, and then slowing the progression down to match...

I would prefer this very much.

Also, if you take a 3-point natural attack emulating a Double-Weapon, can that limb make two attacks during a full-attack, and would you need the Two/Multi Weapon Fighting feats to do so without enormous penalties?

[whoiam]

Yes and yes. It is treated in every respect as though it was a double weapon being held in two hands. You can use one end two-handed, or make a single attack with each end with the standard penalties.

TWF penalties only apply to the limb that's TWFing, though.

[NecroticPunch]

:( I was ignored.

[Lix Lorn]

A Hive Tyrant is just a higher level Tyranid. XD

What happens if you take Reach and Thumbs on one limb? Or, if you take Thumbs on one limb twice, can you count it as two hands for the purposes of holding big weapons?

[whoiam]

'Reach' and 'Thumbs' gives you an arm with really long range.

Taking 'thumbs' twice gives you two opposable digits on the end of your limb instead of one. It's still one hand, it just has two thumbs on it.

[2xMachina]

What does it do? Makes it look weird?

[NecroticPunch]

It should give you a bonus to attack, since it lets you control your weapon better.