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    Quote Originally Posted by okpokalypse View Post
    How will buying off an ECL affect scoring? I know UA is allowed, but it seems certain aspects will affect elegance, and I don't wanna do such, but I do want to get a 20-Level Progression :)
    It varies by judge but you generally get hit in Elegance to the tune of half to a full point.

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    I have a (1) Nightstick down on my suggested equipment list, but no Divine Metamagic. Nightsticks tend to have a rather nasty connotation to them. Its very helpful, but not vital to the build. I hope this isn't gonna hurt me score, will it?

    EDIT: Even though I've submitted my entry, I'm still not on the list of contestants. Did you get my PM Private-Prinny?
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    You know my stance, Keld. Nightsticks are fine, as long as you're not doing something broken with them. Since the only use I can think of involves DMM or Devotion Feats, and only one thing of those two is broken, and you're not using that one... I think you're good.

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    There are a LOT of things that use TU attempts. Divine Metamagic is one of probably 2 dozen [Divine] feats printed. Theres also Divine Might, Divine Shield, Divine Vigor, Divine Resistance, the one that aligns all your allies weapons (Sacred Weapon?), and a couple others...just in Complete Warrior. I know Races of Stone has a couple more, and thats not even going into CDivine, CChampion, and PHBII. Oh, and Divine Deficance in FCII.

    Then there's also Ordained Champion's smite, the Spontaneous Domain feat in CDivine, Eldritch Disciple's Healing Blast feature, several RKV powers (non-cheesy if you limit Divine Impetus to 1/rd, Divine Recovery and the rest of the abilities are fine), and a couple of items that you can spend TU attempts on to power.

    Even DMM isn't THAT cheesy. DMM Persist IS, but DMM Quicken is pretty balanced in that it takes a TON of TU attempts and still chews up your swift actions and is only viable for 1-2 encounters per day. DMM Reach is also commonly branded as a non-cheesy way to buff your allies with touch spells from the back row, great for non-Zilla Cloistered Clerics, although Divine Ward is more efficient if you are only casting heals.

    Just sayin. There ARE more than 2 things to use TU for, MOST of which aren't cheesy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keld Denar View Post
    I have a (1) Nightstick down on my suggested equipment list, but no Divine Metamagic. Nightsticks tend to have a rather nasty connotation to them. Its very helpful, but not vital to the build. I hope this isn't gonna hurt me score, will it?

    EDIT: Even though I've submitted my entry, I'm still not on the list of contestants. Did you get my PM Private-Prinny?
    I did, I just haven't updated the list yet. I've been meaning to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keld Denar View Post
    Just sayin. There ARE more than 2 things to use TU for, MOST of which aren't cheesy.
    See how almost ALL of those are divine-based? See how GSA is an arcane-PrC? I just ignored all the ones of irrelevance, which is pretty much all of them.

    Believe me, I've used most of the possible options before. They rock, btws.

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    *whistles innocently*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbitrarity View Post
    Wait, so a Necropolitan GSA wouldn't become a construct?

    Craaazy.
    I guess it would, really. Savage Species only mentions templates - GSA capstone is not a template.

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    I could compete in this.

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    I could compete in this.
    You'd better get cracking, then. The deadline is three days away and I already have six submissions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodenbandman View Post
    I could compete in this.
    Double dog dare you.

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    Tribble's got his evil face on...I do believe the gauntlet has been thrown!
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    Tribble's got his evil face on...I do believe the gauntlet has been thrown!
    Frankly it reminds me of a Ghost pokemon
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    Haha, had to look up what one looks like, but you're right, it sort of does.

    Man... I'm not so much interested in the judging as I am to see what the next theme will be so I can begin work on the next. I'm such a writing junkie.

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    I cast my vote for the next Iron Chef being Tactical Soldier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cieyrin View Post
    I cast my vote for the next Iron Chef being Tactical Soldier.
    Prinny's already got my vote for what the next Iron Chef should be. Hint: Your wife is a big hippo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cieyrin View Post
    I cast my vote for the next Iron Chef being Tactical Soldier.
    Meh, I wanna see the suggestions I sent Prinny last time.

    Flavorful but just plain bad. Kinda like the GSA, which I had a fantastic time with.

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    I can only suggest "shoeless sexy god of war"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingus View Post
    I can only suggest "shoeless sexy god of war"
    I would be surprised if that's an actual PrC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    I would be surprised if that's an actual PrC.
    I'm pretty sure I recall someone doing it on the Homebrew forums. Can't recall details however.

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    So, tomorrow's the reveal? If Prinny had 6 entries two days ago, the judges could be looking at a long process...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    So, tomorrow's the reveal? If Prinny had 6 entries two days ago, the judges could be looking at a long process...
    Not so much. I still have the same six entries. Then again, I could get a last second flood.

    Edit: We also have 2 more judging chairs open, if anyone's interested.
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    I'll switch over to judging then. I have the character mostly finished but just wasn't very satisfied with her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akal Saris View Post
    I'll switch over to judging then. I have the character mostly finished but just wasn't very satisfied with her.
    ...And all the entrants just felt their odds of winning go up by 50%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    ...And all the entrants just felt their odds of winning go up by 50%.
    Pffftt, Akal, sit your butt down and enter that or we'll have words!

    Two other judges. Show yourselves. Now.

    *bares teeth*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akal Saris View Post
    I'll switch over to judging then. I have the character mostly finished but just wasn't very satisfied with her.
    ...BOO! BOOO! Enter!

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    ...And all the entrants just felt their odds of winning go up by 50%.
    Yeah really. I was all set to just give Akal the win too...

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    Pffftt, Akal, sit your butt down and enter that or we'll have words!

    Two other judges. Show yourselves. Now.

    *bares teeth*
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    I can judge if you want. probably won't be the most excellent at it... but I will if nobody else wants to.

    and Akal, do it anyways. for honor!
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    Heh...alright, I'll stay in it then. Thanks for the encouragement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akal Saris View Post
    Heh...alright, I'll stay in it then. Thanks for the encouragement
    HOORAY!

    More high quality competitors are always welcome!
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    I can't quite finish my build and be satisfied with it. I'll switch to judge, just like Akal was going to.
    Btw, if finished it would be something like this:
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    Unfortunatelly, without the 15 CL in 10 levels, GSA just does not work for what I wanted.
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