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    Did I miss the text that makes a Pyrokineticist proficient with his or her fire lash?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Did I miss the text that makes a Pyrokineticist proficient with his or her fire lash?
    It behaves as a whip for feat purposes, but to hit something with it you actually make a ranged touch attack built into the ability, so it's not subject to whip proficiency.



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    I updated my first post to include my judging criteria. It may or may not look suspiciously similar to aethernox's criteria, with some small adjustments. *shifty eyes*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caphi View Post
    It behaves as a whip for feat purposes, but to hit something with it you actually make a ranged touch attack built into the ability, so it's not subject to whip proficiency.
    By that logic, you shouldn't be able to apply your Strength bonus to Fire Lash damage, either, as the ability description specifies a flat 1d8 damage.
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    Hmm... Psionics aren't my favourite, but the class barely touches them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chineselegolas View Post
    Hmm... Psionics aren't my favourite, but the class barely touches them.
    I know. No manifester progression, easy requirements, new features at every level, decently powerful, fairly overlooked, plus the fact that there's a precedent for this sort of thing. It's absolutely perfect.
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    I was already working on a build for that class. I guess I'll join as a contestant, than.

    Also, ew, Dandwiki?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchers View Post
    I was already working on a build for that class. I guess I'll join as a contestant, than.

    Also, ew, Dandwiki?
    Is that a joke? I hope it's a joke.

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    Is what a joke?

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    Is what a joke?
    D&D Wiki, I'd imagine. You making a build doesn't seem jokish, IMO.

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    That's what I was thinking, but general opinion around here seems to agree with my assessment of Dandwiki, which is why I was confused.

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    That's what I was thinking, but general opinion around here seems to agree with my assessment of Dandwiki, which is why I was confused.
    Uh, I've never talked to anyone who felt that Dandwiki is balanced material, suitable for use in a contest like this. It's... yeah. I don't recommend it in contests (also, it being not official is invalid anyways).

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    Uh, I've never talked to anyone who felt that Dandwiki is balanced material, suitable for use in a contest like this. It's... yeah. I don't recommend it in contests (also, it being not official is invalid anyways).
    Totally agree with you, Arguskos. That's exactly what I meant.

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    It's also exactly what I mean by saying "ew" and using the "yuk" emote. I continue to be confused.

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    Thankfully, the link to dandwiki is to OGL content, rather than to the horrible, horrible homebrew that infests its pages.
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    Uh, I've never talked to anyone who felt that Dandwiki is balanced material, suitable for use in a contest like this. It's... yeah. I don't recommend it in contests (also, it being not official is invalid anyways).
    D&D wiki is linked to because it happens to have exactly the same text for the Pyrokineticist as the Expanded Psionics Handbook. I double and triple checked everything, and that page at the very least is an exact reproduction of official 3.5 material.

    The link is there just in case some contestants don't have access to the XPH, and I wouldn't recommend using anything else on that site as part of an entry.
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    D&D wiki is linked to because it happens to have exactly the same text for the Pyrokineticist as the Expanded Psionics Handbook. I double and triple checked everything, and that page at the very least is an exact reproduction of official 3.5 material.

    The link is there just in case some contestants don't have access to the XPH, and I wouldn't recommend using anything else on that site as part of an entry.
    The Hypertext d20 SRD has the exact same page, and doesn't give the impression that DanddWiki is viable material. I'd highly recommend changing the link, but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private-Prinny View Post
    D&D wiki is linked to because it happens to have exactly the same text for the Pyrokineticist as the Expanded Psionics Handbook. I double and triple checked everything, and that page at the very least is an exact reproduction of official 3.5 material.

    The link is there just in case some contestants don't have access to the XPH, and I wouldn't recommend using anything else on that site as part of an entry.
    Oh, I believe it includes the fluff text, too?
    Thought that was illegal. Otherwise, the online d20 SRD would have flavour text as well.
    Not that it matters anyway.

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    Oh, I believe it includes the fluff text, too?
    Thought that was illegal. Otherwise, the online d20 SRD would have flavour text as well.
    Not that it matters anyway.
    No, it didn't have the flavor text. And you're right, that would be illegal.
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    The Hypertext d20 SRD has the exact same page, and doesn't give the impression that DanddWiki is viable material. I'd highly recommend changing the link, but that's just me.
    Good call. Link has been changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by true_shinken View Post
    Oh, I believe it includes the fluff text, too?
    Thought that was illegal. Otherwise, the online d20 SRD would have flavour text as well.
    Not that it matters anyway.
    If that's why Prinstar linked to the wiki, ok then. I kinda figured access wasn't something we worried about (anyone interested in entering will figure it out), but fair enough I guess.

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    I will be going in as a contestant on this one, as this is one of my favorite classes.

    Before I do, I request some rules clarifications on this:
    The lash deals 1d8 points of fire damage to a target within 15 feet on a successful ranged touch attack
    1) It specifies that the Flame Lash is a Ranged Touch Attack. Does this mean it is inelegable for the following: Power Attack, STR to Damage, ability to wield it in two-hands, or does it operate as a Weapon-Like Spell (or in this case, Psi)-Like Ability in all regards?

    2) The entry for Flame Lash states that it may do damage to a target within 15'. Does this mean it can strike at 5' and 10' without penalty as well?

    3) How would a size increase of the wielder affect the size, reach, and damage of the Flame Lash?

    I've already got my build set up, should be fairly unique. I may take a hit on the Power category, but I should make it up in Originality and Elegance.
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    I've always found this class interesting. Is there room for another judge? I know I haven't appeared much in the threads for previous competetions, but I have kept up with the past several ones and would like to get involved.

    Yes, I am "borrowing" my criteria. But they sum up my ideas, so why not?

    My criteria:
    Originality: Does this entry use a well known trick or abuse of the PrC in question? Does this entry present a new take on the PrC in question?

    Power: Can this entry combat a Wizard 20 on equal footing? Can it combat a Bard 20? Can it combat a Fighter 20? Can it combat a Monk 20?

    Elegance: My read "elegance" as meaning that the build is highly synergistic while avoiding extreme cheese. Your build should strike a balance between power, appearance, and getting the most out of the PrC. This is where I will rate your "presentation", which is the story of your entry, your source list, and all the other trappings of the entry. MY ADDITION: I have always found dipping cheesy. While I understand some builds work better with dips, an overabundance of dips will be marked down.

    Use of Secret Ingredient: Do you play to the strengths of the PrC? Do you make it really feel like this build is a <PrC Name> and not Generic Fighter #5 or whatever?
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    It seems that all of the judges are looking for very similar things. That, or none of us can express ourselves properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senrath View Post
    It seems that all of the judges are looking for very similar things. That, or none of us can express ourselves properly.
    I'm guessing the latter, judging by how, in most rounds of the contests, there have been some entries that did very well by some judges and very poorly by others.
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    Well, at least I have something to aim for now.

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    Just a quick question, is BoVD counted as 3.5? I can't remember.

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    Just a quick question, is BoVD counted as 3.5? I can't remember.
    It's 3.0, but then, I'm not sure why that rule is there considering 3.0 stuff has been discussed and used here before.

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    Just a quick question, is BoVD counted as 3.5? I can't remember.
    It's 3.0, but legal for the competition. Iron Chef III used BoVD for the secret ingredient.
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    Is any other 3.0 material legal? Just so I know what options are available.

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