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    General rule with Wizards stuff is that 3.0 stuff that isn't updated can be used in 3.5. Not sure if the contest is using that ruling, though.

    Interested as a contestant, though this will be my first time.
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    I'm game to try this thing out, should be interesting since I hardly know psionics at all, guess I have a week to try to catch up on them.
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    Hmm...Under what ability do Natural Attacks fall? Hands Afire, Weapons Afire, or neither?

    Also, what are the creation rules? Attributes, HP, Multiclassing, and so on.
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    I'm in. I have an idea.
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    I am so in on this one!
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    sign me up. flame on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavar View Post
    Also, what are the creation rules? Attributes, HP, Multiclassing, and so on.
    There are no creation rules, as most of the competition is based on the build. Most previous contestants used either 28 or 32 PB for their examples, and most used average+1 HP for levels after 1st as an example. Alternatively, you can just list stat priority (example: Str > Con > Cha > Wis > Int > Dex) and sum up the HD sizes (example: 3d4 + 10d8 + 7d10) when you discuss HP. Multiclassing falls under the elegance catagory. If you would have any or lots of multiclass penalties, some judges might mark you down, while others might not care. Take penalties at your own risk.
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    I'll join in as a contestant. I'm having good ideas rolling in my head and I just have to check their viability.
    That said...

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    Is any other 3.0 material legal? Just so I know what options are available.
    As already said, non updated material is generally counted as valid. But, as a suggestion, I'll use it with great attention: you may have missed a secondary book in which your apparently non updated rule is - not a big deal if is practically identical, bad hit if it is different.
    Moreover, as another suggestion, if you come out with something really overpowered, expect a plus in power and a minus in elegance.

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    I know the general rule for 3.0 compatibility. The contest, however, specifies 3.5, rather than 3e, so there was a good chance there was a reason for that distinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShneekeyTheLost View Post
    I will be going in as a contestant on this one, as this is one of my favorite classes.

    Before I do, I request some rules clarifications on this:

    1) It specifies that the Flame Lash is a Ranged Touch Attack. Does this mean it is inelegable for the following: Power Attack, STR to Damage, ability to wield it in two-hands, or does it operate as a Weapon-Like Spell (or in this case, Psi)-Like Ability in all regards?

    2) The entry for Flame Lash states that it may do damage to a target within 15'. Does this mean it can strike at 5' and 10' without penalty as well?

    3) How would a size increase of the wielder affect the size, reach, and damage of the Flame Lash?

    I've already got my build set up, should be fairly unique. I may take a hit on the Power category, but I should make it up in Originality and Elegance.
    I would still like some kind of an official response to these questions before making my build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchers View Post
    I know the general rule for 3.0 compatibility. The contest, however, specifies 3.5, rather than 3e, so there was a good chance there was a reason for that distinction.
    It was a good idea to ask. So far the judges haven't been too picky about 3.0 material, though I've only really seen Savage Species and the BoVD used. And welcome to the contest!
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    I'm tempted to enter, so long as I don't end up doing what I did last time and horribly misreading.

    Hm. How does Hand Afire interact with Natural Weapons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbitrarity View Post
    Hm. How does Hand Afire interact with Natural Weapons?
    I asked that question, and haven't yet gotten an official response. The unofficial was that you'd need Weapon Afire, but again, it's unofficial.
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    Eh, that works too. As long as something interacts with natural weapons.

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    I'm up for entry as a contestant as well. I have played around with the Pyrokineticist before, never ended up using it in a build yet, so should be interesting.
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    If anyone has questions about psionics give me a ring and I'll be glad to answer them. You could say they're my specialty.

    If you plan on using a manifesting class for whatever reason (and keep in mind a couple abilities requires the use of power points), you cannot use more power points in the manifestion/augmentation of a power than your manifester level.

    There is a feat and a Wilder ability that alters this, but that is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Vorpal Tribble View Post
    There is a feat and a Wilder ability that alters this, but that is all.
    And a couple items and PrCs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keld Denar View Post
    And a couple items and PrCs...
    Yeah, but that's getting more advanced. Starting them out slow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private-Prinny View Post
    If you can do it with a whip, you can do it with the fire lash.
    Would you then be able to apply feats/effects that only work on melee weapons to it?
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    Rats! My supercool idea either doesn't work or is expected to have around 0 in elegance. With the contest over, I'll ask your help to see if it could be done right.

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    Do multiple sources of fire damage stack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingus View Post
    Rats! My supercool idea either doesn't work or is expected to have around 0 in elegance. With the contest over, I'll ask your help to see if it could be done right.
    Yeah, I just wrote up my build before realising that at level 20 it was about as powerful as a lvl8 fighter.

    Back to the drawing board.
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    Generally, yes.

    How concerned should we be with overcoming fire resistance/immunity? Is it a major power component, since you kinda need it to beat most mid-high level opponents, or is it mostly irrelevant, since it's almost an automatic weakness?
    Is a backup technique acceptable, or do we need full-out counter, that retains most of our power?

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    On that note, heat death would technically not be effected by fire immunity, right?
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    The hardest part about this PrC is I've used it in so many builds I have no idea what would be considered 'original' any more.

    5 build ideas and all of them I think 'surely someone else will do this..."

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    I've been reading the other Iron Chef challenges, and think this one would be lots of fun to try to do. I just haven't ever really been that good at optimizing, mostly because I don't know what options there are. I do have an interesting idea, however, so I'm going to give this some thought this weekend. I *MIGHT* submit a build, but I am not yet certain.

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    Hey Gecko, I just moved from Acworth/Kennesaw. Know of almost no Georgians around these forums. Good to meetcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private-Prinny View Post
    If you can do it with a whip, you can do it with the fire lash.
    So with regards to Str Bonus, Power Attack, etc, it behaves as a real melee weapon, not as a generic Ranged Touch Attack?

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    I might actually have a go at this. I've a build idea that is reasonably powerful, and I feel would be fairly elegant, though I'm not sure if it'd count as original. Regardless, I'll try it and see how it goes.
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    My idea is original, but I can't figure out what to do with Heat Death and Conflagration (Heat death, mostly). They're just terrible abilities, due to their DC scaling. DC 10+PrC level+modifier is normal, but 10+1/2 prc level at the time you get them, +modifier is abominable.
    I'm having difficulty seeing how to add them usefully into a build that isn't... hmmmm.


    Hmmmmm. I bet someone thought of that already. And they still suck.

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