Iron Chef Optimization Challenge VIII

[Amphetryon]

And the thread fell into thoughtful silence...

We're just sitting quietly by the flaming whip of fire.

[Private-Prinny]

I haven't gotten any builds yet, and no questions were being asked. Besides, not having that many posts isn't really a bad thing.

[true_shinken]

I haven't gotten any builds yet, and no questions were being asked. Besides, not having that many posts isn't really a bad thing.

Actually, Prinny, I kinda wanted to know if you have a ruling on the flaming whip thing, or if each judge is going with his own ruling.

[Ozymandias9]

I'm thinking a third. Is XPH 3.0 material? The differences could just be a byproduct of the whip being updated between 3.0 and 3.5.

As I have the 3.0 version handy, that version treated the creation of the fire lash as a SLA, which would seem to imply that the lash itself was treated as a weapon. There are, however, some rather significant differences between the 3.0 and 3.5 versions of the class.

[arguskos]

Actually, Prinny, I kinda wanted to know if you have a ruling on the flaming whip thing, or if each judge is going with his own ruling.

Already gave my opinion and how I'm treating the whip issue. Can't speak for the others, obviously.

[Private-Prinny]

Already gave my opinion and how I'm treating the whip issue. Can't speak for the others, obviously.

Fortunately, I can.

For my judgments, I am reading Fire Lash as a 15-ft long, 1d8 fire damage, RTA-based, whip. It can do anything a whip can do, is always 15 ft long, and always does 1d8 fire damage. Makes sense to me (Occam's Razor and all that).

This is reasonable, so I'll agree with arguskos. Power Attack is fair game, tripping is fair game, etc.

[the humanity]

Fortunately, I can.



This is reasonable, so I'll agree with arguskos. Power Attack is fair game, tripping is fair game, etc.

do we have to go get proficiency with it?

[ex cathedra]

You certainly don't have to, and it is a RTA, but you probably should if you intend to often use it.

[Draz74]

This ruling still leaves one rather large ambiguity as far as I can see: whether abilities that augment melee attacks can be used on Fire Lash.

[senrath]

I'll throw my towel in with arguskos's and Private-Prinny's ruling on the fire lash. If you can do it with a regular whip, you can do it with the lash.

[Private-Prinny]

This ruling still leaves one rather large ambiguity as far as I can see: whether abilities that augment melee attacks can be used on Fire Lash.

Can you use abilities that augment melee attacks with a standard whip?

[Natael]

Can you use abilities that augment melee attacks with a standard whip?

Most specifically, ToB maneuvers? I do believe so.

[Chineselegolas]

I haven't gotten any builds yet, and no questions were being asked. Besides, not having that many posts isn't really a bad thing.

So I still have a chance to get by build in first like I have for the last few I've entered...
I'm actually taking a lot of time to write back-story and flavour into the build rather than just making the build and with a light story with it.
It is taking forever to write... And not very good either. Still, my mechanical is done. Will probably give up on fluff sometime this evening.

[Ingus]

Mine is in, so we don't risk a contest without contestants. :p

I'm wandering if there could be better exploitation and surely it could be: this time the secret ingredient was good, not too difficult to enter and able to sinergize very well with almost everything.

Hope to see other's work soon, since mine is not completely satisfying.

[The Vorpal Tribble]

Hope to see other's work soon, since mine is not completely satisfying.

Oddly enough for once completely satisfied with build but not with background. Mirror of usual submissions.

[Lord Bingo]

This is reasonable, so I'll agree with arguskos. Power Attack is fair game, tripping is fair game, etc.

Well, Power Attack is okay as long as one remembers that a base whip does non-lethal damage, meaning that the increased damage that results from using Power Attack is also treated as non-lethal. Even if the whip is enchanted to do 1d8 fire damage it's base damage remains non-lethal. IMO the benefit of Power Attack cannot be added to the damage of an enchantment.

[Private-Prinny]

Well, Power Attack is okay as long as one remembers that a base whip does non-lethal damage, meaning that the increased damage that results from using Power Attack is also treated as non-lethal. Even if the whip is enchanted to do 1d8 fire damage it's base damage remains non-lethal. IMO the benefit of Power Attack cannot be added to the damage of an enchantment.

Except that it's not an enhancement. The fire lash has a base 1d8 fire damage, meaning that extra damage is also fire damage.

[Draz74]

19 Competitors just didn't seem like enough reading for the judges ... so I just sent in an entry.

[Private-Prinny]

19 Competitors just didn't seem like enough reading for the judges ... so I just sent in an entry.

Interestingly enough, I've only received 4 submissions, including yours.

[Akal Saris]

I'll send one in as well if I have time, but unfortunately this has been a very hectic week for me, and tomorrow and Friday are going to be busy as well. Busy in a good way though :)

[senrath]

Interestingly enough, I've only received 4 submissions, including yours.

Isn't that generally how it goes? More people sign up than actually submit builds?

[Amphetryon]

Isn't that generally how it goes? More people sign up than actually submit builds?

There's also typically a cascade of submissions on the last day. You'd think we were all procrastinators or something.

[the humanity]

I want my eventual entry to be perfect...

and I have three useless levels. I'll ask after if anyone has any ideas for what would have been cool for my build, but I'm out.

for the 3rd time >_>

[arguskos]

I'll send one in as well if I have time, but unfortunately this has been a very hectic week for me, and tomorrow and Friday are going to be busy as well. Busy in a good way though :)

Quick! Hurry! Enter and end the contest, before Akal blows you all away!

Isn't that generally how it goes? More people sign up than actually submit builds?

Yuppers. Tends to work that way, anyhow. *shrugs* I'm expecting around 6-8 entries, like standard.

[Ingus]

I want my eventual entry to be perfect...

and I have three useless levels. I'll ask after if anyone has any ideas for what would have been cool for my build, but I'm out.

for the 3rd time >_>

Don't even know if it fits, but... Heir of Siberys from Eberron Campaign Setting?

[the humanity]

Don't even know if it fits, but... Heir of Siberys from Eberron Campaign Setting?

don't have the book...

[IdleMuse]

Yeah, my build's pretty much done, but I now have to write it up.

[PId6]

Not sure I'll have time to write up an entry, but I'll try. Multiclassing penalty is throwing me in for a loop though.

[woodenbandman]

I had an idea but it has been done before.

[Arbitrarity]

Oh noes. I just abandoned my original idea and started over. At least I'm inspired more, this time.