Bibliography II

[BRC]

clearly Ben should buy it a bookmark, read it, then leave in on the shelf for a while, allowing it to gather dust for a few months. Then, when he's looking for somthing else he'll notice it and say "Hey, my Whitebox Weapon! I'd wondered where I'd put that!"

[Silverraptor]

This is proving interesting.

[vicente408]

He could toss it and download a copy to his Kindle.

[Zeful]

No, I want her to prove that humans can be useful without extra-ordinary powers.

Except both Ben and Raoul proved this to be impossible. Ben could only draw the enemy into a trap that could weaken it, and Raoul almost died.

And who say she won't become mission control or a spy-like member of the team instead of a fighter?

I never did, I was just pointing out that given events already shown and that this is based off of Shonen Manga tropes, being a semi-normal person relegates her to the sidelines pretty much by default. She'd be lucky to never be kidnapped or attacked throughout the entire run of the manga.

so your saying shes gonna be like Sakura from Naruto, even if she gains power, she will always be little behind Raoul and Ben

No. I'm not. I am saying that if she doesn't get powers she will need to be protected from any enemies that Ben and Raoul make because she'll be helpless against pretty much any Page/Amateur Librarian.

[Maximum Zersk]

I don't know, I'm guessing that pages probably have some sort of weakness, so as to make sure they aren't invincible to humans.

[Tulio d Bard]

Or she'll become some kind of Page Hunter, learning their weaknesses, strengths, traits, spells, wearing a black coat, carrying some silver bullets, flamethrowers, flashlights, and all the stuff you can think of that would help in a fight against a specific Codex.

[Owrtho]

Except both Ben and Raoul proved this to be impossible. Ben could only draw the enemy into a trap that could weaken it, and Raoul almost died.

That is hardly the case. Both were unprepared (in Raoul's case not even being awakened at the start), and Ben lacked any actual equipment and had to make due with what was on hand (also he was only trying to stall for time, not kill the guy).

If someone really wanted to fight pages, they'd like have weapons (like guns or at least some knives or a taser) and other equipment specific to the weaknesses of the codices likely to be encountered.

Owrtho

[Zeful]

That is hardly the case. Both were unprepared (in Raoul's case not even being awakened at the start), and Ben lacked any actual equipment and had to make due with what was on hand (also he was only trying to stall for time, not kill the guy).

While one could excuse Ben's situation as being an outlier. Raoul's was not. Page spells seem to be lethal to non-pages, and unstoppable. Had Raoul not become a page, he would have died. This is presented as reality within the universe. So awakened non-page, non-librarians would have to be a member of the "Altair School of Combat" and never get hit while fighting an enemy with ranged offense, instant defensive capabilities and stronger-than-human bodies. To provide an outside example, it would be like having a normal human fight a Stand user and expecting them to make a good showing. If they do, they are an outlier.

If someone really wanted to fight pages, they'd like have weapons (like guns or at least some knives or a taser) and other equipment specific to the weaknesses of the codices likely to be encountered.

Or given that there's already an organization for doing exactly that, one could join them, which gives specialized equipment to fight Pages (or rather Abyssals which are stronger, faster and more vicious than Pages).

[Owrtho]

While one could excuse Ben's situation as being an outlier. Raoul's was not. Page spells seem to be lethal to non-pages, and unstoppable. Had Raoul not become a page, he would have died. This is presented as reality within the universe. So awakened non-page, non-librarians would have to be a member of the "Altair School of Combat" and never get hit while fighting an enemy with ranged offense, instant defensive capabilities and stronger-than-human bodies. To provide an outside example, it would be like having a normal human fight a Stand user and expecting them to make a good showing. If they do, they are an outlier.

First, I'll note that not all page spells are more lethal to humans than pages. Also that Raoul couldn't even see the attack till after he was hit, making the accuracy of it dubious. It also was able to be stopped by amputation. And your argument there could also be used for any number of other things like guns or chemical/biological weapons, which would both work on pages, and are hardly unstoppable.

Also, you seem to be overstating the powers of pages. Just going in with a gun would likely make it a close to fair match at least against less experienced pages, and with training could likely get it to be a decent match against page.

Or given that there's already an organization for doing exactly that, one could join them, which gives specialized equipment to fight Pages (or rather Abyssals which are stronger, faster and more vicious than Pages).

First, I think that you need to actually get a whitebox weapon to choose you. Also since you brought it up, I'll note that Librarians are just normal people with special tools (so would be affected like a normal person by pages abilities).

Owrtho

[Zeful]

First, I'll note that not all page spells are more lethal to humans than pages. Also that Raoul couldn't even see the attack till after he was hit, making the accuracy of it dubious. It also was able to be stopped by amputation. And your argument there could also be used for any number of other things like guns or chemical/biological weapons, which would both work on pages, and are hardly unstoppable.

And? The supposition that "Raoul could dodge it if he saw it" doesn't undermine my point. That it was only able to be stopped by amputation doesn't undermine it either. The fact that spells that would incapacitate a page can kill a normal human requires the human to avoid getting hit by any attack, lest it kill him. Given that the one instance of such a spell requiring amputation to save the afflicted's life means that even one hit, anywhere, ends your ability to fight at any level approaching even.

Also, you seem to be overstating the powers of pages. Just going in with a gun would likely make it a close to fair match at least against less experienced pages, and with training could likely get it to be a decent match against page.

Maybe, but I don't really think I'm overestimating the power of Pages. A Page has benefits over human's for just being pages, then they have spells that provide many other benefits. Further, hunting pages down with a gun is very, very noticeable compared to Pages, making it very easy for the page to win in any encounter. All they need to do is wait, the police will show up and take their side instantly.

First, I think that you need to actually get a whitebox weapon to choose you. Also since you brought it up, I'll note that Librarians are just normal people with special tools (so would be affected like a normal person by pages abilities).

True, but most of them seem to provide some defensive abilities of their own. Making them far better weapons than a gun could ever hope to be.

[Owrtho]

There is a reason that some people use shields. Also, I'd point out that they never said that amputation or becoming a page was the only way for the issue to be cured. It was just the only methods available to them at the time. Also the group hadn't exactly been equipped to take care of normal humans given it was made entirely of pages. It is quite possible that there is a simple method to cure the condition that they just failed to have on hand.

I'd also point out that pages don't inherently end up all better than people. They have an improved immune system, and are generally somewhat more durable, but things like enhanced strength, speed, etc. all depend entirely on the codex. Hence why it was mentioned that if you want speed you call a werewolf.

As for the gun issue, one could claim self defence (provided the gun is legal to carry). Also it doesn't mater if you kill the page before the police show up.

While whitebox weapons are likely better in general, that doesn't mean that other weapons can't also work as well when lacking one.

Owrtho

[Mina Kobold]

Ask it for a story, or what it wishes to teach?

Story! Story! Story!

Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see what happens to Satomi.

It's Elagune's story (Story!) and he may be trying to trick us, that sneaky bubjab!

[Maximum Zersk]

Well, I'm re-reading the webcomic again, and I've noticed a few things.

1: Art Evolution, much?

2: During the explanation of Aura in chapter 2, Eve's explanation is, and I quote, "When you do something with somebody, they leave an imprint on your Aura!" That leaves some... interesting implications.

[licoot]

Well, I'm re-reading the webcomic again, and I've noticed a few things.

1: Art Evolution, much?

2: During the explanation of Aura in chapter 2, Eve's explanation is, and I quote, "When you do something with somebody, they leave an imprint on your Aura!" That leaves some... interesting implications.

I just started re-reading it as well, and I can't believe I actually missed why Ben's uncle gave him the cross, since he is awakened he could have known that Ben had been, first time I read it I got really confused about how it was so well timed, although I could have got it wrong again.

[Elagune]

Page 20

Alright, another page done.

[Viera Champion]

Teehee. It's a diary.

[CoffeeIncluded]

It's...Floating.

DON'T DO IT! IT'S A HORCRUX!!!

[BRC]

*Gasp*
What a Twist!

[HalfTangible]

Teehee. It's a diary.

It's...Floating.

DON'T DO IT! IT'S A HORCRUX!!!

I see what you did there.

[Maximum Zersk]

It's...Floating.

DON'T DO IT! IT'S A HORCRUX!!!

Coffee, you never noticed all the other times the Bibliography's just floated there?

[Prime32]

If this works the way I think it does, Ben should write "Today I gained unlimited cosmic power."

[memnarch]

Is ben blushing or something?

[John Cribati]

Is ben blushing or something?

A Floating book that follows him around- when it's not physically attached to him- just asked him to spill his guts in writing. I'd blush, too.

[BRC]

A Floating boot that follows him around- when it's not physically attached to him- just asked him to spill his guts in writing. I'd blush, too.

A floating Boot? That would actually make an interesting whitebox weapon. You can order it to kick your foes, or just grow giant and crush abyssals Monty-python style.

[John Cribati]

A floating Boot? That would actually make an interesting whitebox weapon. You can order it to kick your foes, or just grow giant and crush abyssals Monty-python style.

*facepalm*

The worst part is that "K" is nowhere near "T"

[Yorrin]

A Floating boot

I though we already decided there was a Boot to the Head codex...

Nice mini-twist, though. A diary. I can understand why he's feeling a bit of trepidation. I have a tough time writing diaries myself.

[Maximum Zersk]

Is ben blushing or something?

No, I think it's the shading. If you look at the edge of his face, it gets light.

OOH, I know! Ben uses it as a picture diary, and draws in the story of Bibliography! Then it turns out that Ben is Elagune!

[HalfTangible]

A Floating book that follows him around- when it's not physically attached to him- just asked him to spill his guts in writing. I'd blush, too.

I've tried writing in a journal. The main problem i have had with subsequent entries in each journal is that i can't find it. It's quite vexing.

[Fayd]

No, I think it's the shading. If you look at the edge of his face, it gets light.

OOH, I know! Ben uses it as a picture diary, and draws in the story of Bibliography! Then it turns out that Ben is Elagune!

And this comic is a secret way of telling the world the truth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Or, you know, it could be a way for Ben to gather, compile, and cross-reference data... kind of what the purpose of a Bibliography is.

[Maximum Zersk]

And this comic is a secret way of telling the world the truth! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Or, you know, it could be a way for Ben to gather, compile, and cross-reference data... kind of what the purpose of a Bibliography is.

That makes more sense than my idea.