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    But it does whisper to you 'Hey! Look over there!' while pointing repeatedly and rapidly.
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    Page 1 V2

    Really? The thing that was bothering me wasn't that noticeable to you guys?

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    That Downtown Tiltstone looks like a castle in the first version?
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    That Downtown Tiltstone looks like a castle in the first version?
    Yes, and the quality was crap.

    Right now I'm trying to focus less on characters and more on backgrounds, but it's really hard. I've had a long time to develop my characters, but I really have to force myself to draw backgrounds. I pretty much know the basics of anatomy by now, but architecture is right out.

    I have to use photo reference. I feel like a cheat.

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    I like the new one only because there's more shading in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elagune View Post
    I have to use photo reference. I feel like a cheat.
    Don't feel like a cheat, everybody have to use picture references from time to time.

    I use it when I want to draw a specific haircut I haven't drawn before, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elagune View Post
    I have to use photo reference. I feel like a cheat.
    Lots of good artists use photo references. It's only the bad artists like Rob "lolfail" Liefield who don't and continue drawing anyway.

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    It's still quite a neat downtown, what with flower pots in front of the houses. I mean, it could look like this.
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    The second version is great!

    And don't feel like a cheat In all kinds of art, you need to observe before you can create yourself. It's the same with music, literature, dancing etc. If you don't study about how others do it, and how it exists in reality, you won't get anywhere.
    It is natural to want something individual, new. But new things often bend and change the rules. But can you change the rules if you don't know them?

    And I have to agree with Gez: it doesn't look as dangerous as Ben describes it. Although who knows what's hidden behind this flowery facade of calmness
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    You should not feel like a cheat unless you directly traced copy/paste/cropped it from another drawing. Picture references are not even CLOSE to cheating.
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    Its a weird world where trying to improve your skills is considered cheating. just because your a good artist doesn't mean you can't try to improve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elagune View Post
    I have to use photo reference. I feel like a cheat.
    Plenty of artists use photo references.

    I know that Fate/stay night's backgrounds are traced from real locations (which was at least a step up from Tsukihime's "Google Image Search. Blur Filter. Done." approach).

    For Negima, Ken Akamatsu copies real-life architecture for some things and uses 3D models as reference for others (he accurately depicts Welsh trains).

    And I don't have insight into the workings of many professional artists, so I assume these aren't the only two places it's been done.
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    I'll join the "Photo reference is not cheating" corus. Really. It's one of the best tools for improving one's skills.
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    I'll join the "Photo reference is not cheating" corus. Really. It's one of the best tools for improving one's skills.
    More to the point, I'm amazed you've gone this far without it!
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    You might have saw her hart shaped eye thou.
    Where?! Is it hidden behind your horrible spelling and grammar?
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    Where?! Is it hidden behind your horrible spelling and grammar?
    Actually it's more like a horrible attempt at shakespearean grammar.

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    This page specifically. Apparently Opal should also have precognition powers.
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    Oh my god there is!! But I'm assuming that that was there when the page was first made, in which case, Opal only existed in the RP and the character contest didn't even exist. But it would be pretty awesome if Elagune went back and put that in after I submitted Opal.
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    Really? The thing that was bothering me wasn't that noticeable to you guys?
    it was noticeable, but that's because it's much easier to focus on buildings and their perspective lines than other minor flaws. the second version of downtown looks more cleanly drawn.

    i, too, will join the chorus of encouragement for using photo reference. i admire that you try not to use it, but every budding artist has to draw (no pun intended) on the experience of others while they're learning. that happened to take the form of some [probably] unknown photographer.

    on a related note, did you know that Picasso could paint incredibly realistic pieces? he didn't move on to the crazy stuff we know and love until he'd mastered realism.

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    Oh my god there is!! But I'm assuming that that was there when the page was first made, in which case, Opal only existed in the RP and the character contest didn't even exist. But it would be pretty awesome if Elagune went back and put that in after I submitted Opal.
    Nah, they were there before. But there is a chance that he went back in time and changed it.

    Also, yeah, Photo Reference = Good. Even professional artists need them. Hell, a comic artist advised getting photo reference if you cannot actually go and get real life references.

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    And I have to agree with Gez: it doesn't look as dangerous as Ben describes it. Although who knows what's hidden behind this flowery facade of calmness
    I think Ben meant that going downtown with someone else would be more entertaining, thus giving better inspiration. And Eve herself could help him think about it.
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    The second version is great!

    And don't feel like a cheat In all kinds of art, you need to observe before you can create yourself. It's the same with music, literature, dancing etc. If you don't study about how others do it, and how it exists in reality, you won't get anywhere.
    It is natural to want something individual, new. But new things often bend and change the rules. But can you change the rules if you don't know them?

    And I have to agree with Gez: it doesn't look as dangerous as Ben describes it. Although who knows what's hidden behind this flowery facade of calmness
    Considering the last time he went downtown he got jumped by a crazy flying dude with laser eyes...

    Also, can all All-Seeing Pages fly? Or only those who are mid-descent. Because Roy could Fly.
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    Considering the last time he went downtown he got jumped by a crazy flying dude with laser eyes...
    He also met a girl, that's affectionate, active, and even a little witty. They've already been "out on a date" once, and it looks like from the presentation here, that they're going out again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeful View Post
    He also met a girl, that's affectionate, active, and even a little witty. They've already been "out on a date" once, and it looks like from the presentation here, that they're going out again.
    True, maybe we're misinterpreting Ben's desire to not go downtown alone as being from fear. Maybe it's more about boredom (wandering around downtown with nobody to talk to) than safety.
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    Maybe it's because he didn't pay his late fee at the library and he's afraid of Ninja Librarians?

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    Also, can all All-Seeing Pages fly? Or only those who are mid-descent. Because Roy could Fly.
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    Where?! Is it hidden behind your horrible spelling and grammar?
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    I'm imagining them with one of their eyes in each fist, cruising around town.
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