Murphy's Law 4 (4 Times The Mayhem!)

[Lord Raziere]

Eh, I have to be in Synagogue all day. And on Yom Kippur I need to fast. But enough about that; it's comic time!

#83: Collective Guilt

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bleh, sounds like your usual biased religious propaganda story, how convenient that the gods of the Plavaan plains just happened to murder one of Astrid's elemental puppies for no reason at all then Astrid conveniently just walking away also for no reason when according to the story she had every right to bring down the wrath of her godliness upon them.

I give it a 3/10. "Not believable at all"

[CoffeeIncluded]

It's from Small Gods. One of my favorites...

Ah, I love Small Gods too.

And gee, I thought you'd notice that Astrid Descended in Laria, the more tolerant of the two heavily Astridian countries, while she Ascended in Kago?

bleh, sounds like your usual biased religious propaganda story, how convenient that the gods of the Plavaan plains just happened to murder one of Astrid's elemental puppies for no reason at all then Astrid conveniently just walking away also for no reason when according to the story she had every right to bring down the wrath of her godliness upon them.

I give it a 3/10. "Not believable at all"

Perhaps we may learn more in time? And what do you think of the comic?

AND PLEASE DON'T QUOTE MY IMAGES!!!

[Lord Raziere]

Ah, I love Small Gods too.

And gee, I thought you'd notice that Astrid Descended in Laria, the more tolerant of the two heavily Astridian countries, while she Ascended in Kago?



Perhaps we may learn more in time? And what do you think of the comic?

well I like the texture thing.

and I like your subtle approach to all these themes. Its not my style though, if I were doing something like this it would be a lot darker and blunt about it. People probably wouldn't like that.

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[Lix Lorn]

Oh, nice...
Drow goddess is pretty.

...you said all the other deities are neutral, not good... including the Plavaans? or are they NE?

(Also, does small gods contain a bit about the half snake, half demon, half eagle etc?)

[Asta Kask]

Eh, I have to be in Synagogue all day. And on Yom Kippur I need to fast. But enough about that; it's comic time!

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Huh? Does that mean there's no sun on the plains of Plavaan?

[HalfTangible]

Huh? Does that mean there's no sun on the plains of Plavaan?

No, it means Astrid has no worshippers there and most likely never will because three gods killed a fire dragon - looking thing.

EDIT: On second though, Drow live there... so maybe =/

@Raziere: I assumed thought it was a highly one-sided point of view based on something that actually happened, personally.

what, the story has no chance of being at all true?

[CoffeeIncluded]

Oh, nice...
Drow goddess is pretty.

...you said all the other deities are neutral, not good... including the Plavaans? or are they NE?

No. They're all Something Neutral. In Aequar, racial alignment (E.G., often Lawful Evil), is a stereotype created and enforced by society, not one that the species actually is. Every species is actually like humans in that they run the gamut of alignments, but stereotypes are so much more...Comfortable.

Huh? Does that mean there's no sun on the plains of Plavaan?

No, but Astrid never blessed those lands, so the Plavaan are considered inferior, basically giving the Astridians an excuse to do whatever they want to the Plavaan and the Alavaan plains.

Also, I really think that the TvTropes pages needs updating.

[Mina Kobold]

For some reason my imagination has decided that Drow goddess is not wearing pants and considers the white space to be underwear.

My imagination is weird.

[Maximum Zersk]

Well, I added a subversion for Always Chaotic Evil. I can't think of anything else right now, though.

[CoffeeIncluded]

Well, I added a subversion for Always Chaotic Evil. I can't think of anything else right now, though.

Adding a lot of stuff to Fantastic Racism?

You know what I find a lot of fun? A Villainous Breakdown.

[Maximum Zersk]

Oh, right. That needs updating.

I don't think we've had a villainous breakdown yet in the comic, have we?

[CoffeeIncluded]

Oh, right. That needs updating.

I don't think we've had a villainous breakdown yet in the comic, have we?

No, but there's something immensely satisfying about seeing a bad guy lose it. (Also, the page needs wicks.)

[Maximum Zersk]

So I'm guessing we'll see that then soon, huh?

Ah yes, Wicks. I'm good at that.

[CoffeeIncluded]

So I'm guessing we'll see that then soon, huh?

Ah yes, Wicks. I'm good at that.

And thanks.

[Asta Kask]

No, but Astrid never blessed those lands, so the Plavaan are considered inferior, basically giving the Astridians an excuse to do whatever they want to the Plavaan and the Alavaan plains.

They obviously are inferior. What exact effects does this lack of blessing have? Apart from being a convenient ingroup/outgroup marker?

[CoffeeIncluded]

They obviously are inferior. What exact effects does this lack of blessing have? Apart from being a convenient ingroup/outgroup marker?

Absolutely nothing!

[Lord Raziere]

No, it means Astrid has no worshippers there and most likely never will because three gods killed a fire dragon - looking thing.

EDIT: On second though, Drow live there... so maybe =/

@Raziere: I assumed thought it was a highly one-sided point of view based on something that actually happened, personally.

what, the story has no chance of being at all true?

eh, I'm just not that type of believer. show me some people spouting out how their goddess didn't bless the plains because of a bad reason and thats why we should all hate said plains and I'll just go "wow, nice divine excuse to be racist pricks, which religious leader of yours made this story up first?"

[HalfTangible]

eh, I'm just not that type of believer. show me some people spouting out how their goddess didn't bless the plains because of a bad reason and thats why we should all hate said plains and I'll just go "wow, nice divine excuse to be racist pricks, which religious leader of yours made this story up first?"

I really hate this mindset. Really, really do.

The fact that the story is presented to put the Plavaan in as bad a light as possible says to me it's the version as it is understood by Astrid's followers. It does NOT mean the story is not true.

Granted, it's not a reason to be racist towards every single member of a species but to say the story was made up completely doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, especially since the main reason religious conspiracies (say, the one in Assassin's creed 2) are made up is because the guy who made them up doesn't believe in the god/goddess he claims to, and wants to manipulate those that DO. That makes even less sense in a world where the gods of other religions are admitted to exist.

In your hypothetical situation: "That doesn't make any sense! You're going to blame an entire region for the crimes of their god when you can just blame the god?!"

[Asta Kask]

Absolutely nothing!

Not much of a blessing, is it?

[HalfTangible]

Not much of a blessing, is it?

In a pantheon like this it means little since a different god can just as easily give them a similar blessing.

[CoffeeIncluded]

The story in its most basic form happened to some degree. But who knows what the truth is...

[Asta Kask]

You?

tencharacterlimit

[Dark Faun]

Not necessarily. She can leave purposely leave it ambiguous, even to her own mind. Some universes are like that.

I'M LOOKING AT YOU GAMES WORKSHOP

But either way, I'm looking forward to the next updates.

[CoffeeIncluded]

Not necessarily. She can leave purposely leave it ambiguous, even to her own mind. Some universes are like that.

I'M LOOKING AT YOU GAMES WORKSHOP

But either way, I'm looking forward to the next updates.

Thanks. I'm looking forward to it too. And nope, I know the truth. Good luck prying it out of me though.

[Asta Kask]

Thanks. I'm looking forward to it too. And nope, I know the truth. Good luck prying it out of me though.

Oh, golly, look at this tub of chocolate icec cream that was sent here by mistake. If only we had someone to eat it all...

[Lord Raziere]

I really hate this mindset. Really, really do.

The fact that the story is presented to put the Plavaan in as bad a light as possible says to me it's the version as it is understood by Astrid's followers. It does NOT mean the story is not true.

Granted, it's not a reason to be racist towards every single member of a species but to say the story was made up completely doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, especially since the main reason religious stories are made up is because the guy who made them up doesn't believe in the god/goddess he claims to, and wants to manipulate those that DO. That makes even less sense in a world where the gods of other religions are admitted to exist.

In your hypothetical situation: "That doesn't make any sense! You're going to blame an entire region for the crimes of their god when you can just blame the god?!"

you could say that is ONE reason I rated it a 3/10: it gives us no actual reason to blame the races, just their gods which is not something very believable. that and depending on your interpretation of DnD, the world could really HAVE been created by gods.....or peoples belief in gods gave birth to them and the gods just went along with it cause if they didn't that would kind be ruining faith and along with it, their power.

and of course in this interpretation, the racism could have come before the gods and people just made up justifications to hate them through the religions, and of course the gods, wanting their subjects to be faithful, didn't argue.


however this is just my opinion.

[Marnath]

Guys please, are you TRYING to get the thread locked? Real world religion and politics are a no go here.

As to the comic, no Coffee I hadn't noticed the thing about where she descended and ascended. Subtle.

[HalfTangible]

Guys please, are you TRYING to get the thread locked?

Maybe. F*** NO!!!

Real world religion and politics are a no go here.

Raziere was just making a point using real world situations, not discussing it.

Besides if it was the thread would be fine since it' just me and Raziere discussing the murphy's law religion story.

you could say that is ONE reason I rated it a 3/10: it gives us no actual reason to blame the races, just their gods which is not something very believable. that and depending on your interpretation of DnD, the world could really HAVE been created by gods.....or peoples belief in gods gave birth to them and the gods just went along with it cause if they didn't that would kind be ruining faith and along with it, their power.

and of course in this interpretation, the racism could have come before the gods and people just made up justifications to hate them through the religions, and of course the gods, wanting their subjects to be faithful, didn't argue.

Frankly races have hated each other over far, far more inconsequential things than the murder of a (demigod?) in almost every story i've ever read that HAD different races. OoTS had such hatred for little reason than 'because they told us to' until the events that transpire in the Dark One's story.

In your version it leaves the question of how everything ended up there and how the other gods exist since religions in this world seem separate their gods, as there is no one religion to a pantheon, there is worship of single gods (except maybe in Icarus and Don's case) and acknowledgement of the others, which doesn't make sense to have before the gods revealed themselves. If faith brought the gods into existence, then the disbelief of the other faiths would send them away.

I have a rather pertinent question: If astrid coming down herself was such a momentous rare event why were there three other gods also down there waiting for her, albeit a year and a half later?

[Maximum Zersk]

Raziere was just making a point using real world situations, not discussing it.

I think I remember hearing from Roland that even that's a no-go. I could be wrong, though.

[Lord Raziere]

is historical real life stuff like that banned too? why? I can understand stuff that is modern enough to hushed up but why history to? I love discussing history, its one of my best subjects and I find it often helps me compare it with fantasy since fantasy takes place in historical times.