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    Basil Hawkins? The strawman (for lack of a better description)

    The dragon luffy met isn't a "medieval" dragon, but rather an oriental "chinese-style" dragon. Maybe this one is Momonosuke, considering the Japanese-motif of the Wano country.
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    He is. And it's a DF. Maybe a mythical Zoan as suggested?
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    Caesar's henchmen mention is is a mand-made Devil fruit and that it was a failure... perhaps Momonosuke is stuck in "animal" form and can't change back?


    I am curius how the Harpy-lady (no relationship with Yu-gi-oh) got her wings, I assumed she ate a Zoan bird fruit all the time; but she is a logia, I think logically she was experimented on by either vegapunk or Caesar.

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    I am curius how the Harpy-lady (no relationship with Yu-gi-oh) got her wings, I assumed she ate a Zoan bird fruit all the time; but she is a logia, I think logically she was experimented on by either vegapunk or Caesar.
    Wasn't that explained some chapters back?
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    Caesar used animal parts to fix survivors from original incident?


    Edit: Damn, I didn't remember how that went either, ignore my post.

    Edit2: chapter 664 appears to be relevant, but it doesn't give specific answer about Monet.
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    ... it did?... God dammit what the hell is going on with me? ... might as well re-read the whole arc
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    Basically, Law offered to fix all their crippleness in exchange for..something or other, I forget, so he replaced their bad limbs with good animal ones. It's why Brownbeard is a crocodile.

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    Momo and Kinemon keep getting more and more interesting.
    Could it be they will both join the crew...? I don't think they will, but boy, do I want them to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiagoMartell View Post
    Hm, a mythic zoan kyuubi? That would be cool. But I don't think that's the case, unfortunatelly. It's cool because of the contrast between the trickster fox and the honorbound samurai.
    Just because it would make a bit more sense to me for the Kitsu-Kitsu Fruit (or whatever) to be a Zoan then a Paramecia that grants you kitsune magic.

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    Basil Hawkins? The strawman (for lack of a better description)
    Yeah something like that, he's not important right now but his power is just plain weird

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    Caesar's henchmen mention is is a mand-made Devil fruit and that it was a failure... perhaps Momonosuke is stuck in "animal" form and can't change back?
    Obviously because he needs to grant somebody's wish first.... what?
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    Well, that pretty much confirmed that Zoro has armament haki. I still believe that both he and Sanji have both Armament and Observation. No reason for the second and third strongest members of the crew not to be able to use both.

    Other than that, not much more than setup this week.

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    Well, that pretty much confirmed that Zoro has armament haki. I still believe that both he and Sanji have both Armament and Observation. No reason for the second and third strongest members of the crew not to be able to use both.

    Other than that, not much more than setup this week.
    Everyone has both, they're just better at one yes?
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    Everyone has both, they're just better at one yes?
    As far as I know, the only two Strawhats, outside of Luffy, that can use haki are Zoro and Sanji. When Law asked if anyone on the crew could use it, those were the only two others that Luffy named. Its a strong belief of mine that Usopp has haki, at least Observation considering he's the sniper/gunner. I don't know about everyone else, though I personally don't think Nami needs Armament due to the nature of her attacks but she's never really fought a Logia either.

    It'd be kind of hard for me to believe that Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brook don't have Haki either simply because this is the New World and there should be a larger amount of Logias here due to their power imbalance.
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    It was stated outright that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the only ones in the Strawhats. For the moment that's open and shut.

    And its worth remembering that Haki is not a threshold of strength, its a highly useful skill but not the only road open. Luffy still beat people parties that had it in Part 1. Alternately we had Otohime who's probably among the weaker combatants.

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    Just something I thought of, would Zoro's ability to cut through steel be a rudimentary form of armament Haki? It does fit and it makes his battle with Das Bones even better in retrospective. For that matter Sanji's Diamble Jamble might also fit into that a little.
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    It'd be kind of hard for me to believe that Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brook don't have Haki either simply because this is the New World and there should be a larger amount of Logias here due to their power imbalance.
    I dont think any of those people have Haki, simply because its not something that comes on your own, and none of them has done any training that would indicate they had learned to use it (Usop may be an exception).

    Still, even venturing into the new world its not that big of a deal, DF fruits are kinda rare, Logia fruits even more so, and users with the kind of mastery that protects them completely from physical attacks most of all.

    It was stated outright that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the only ones in the Strawhats. For the moment that's open and shut.
    That could use Haki offensive that Luffy knew about, though its unlikely, the theory that Usop can use observation Haki cant be completely eliminated.

    Just something I thought of, would Zoro's ability to cut through steel be a rudimentary form of armament Haki? It does fit and it makes his battle with Das Bones even better in retrospective. For that matter Sanji's Diamble Jamble might also fit into that a little.
    Yeah this was something that came up when we first learned about Haki, and i do find it pretty likely, it should also be noted that one of the snake ladies used Haki to perform a simular attack to Diable Jamble, with burning hair instead of feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suichimo View Post
    It'd be kind of hard for me to believe that Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brook don't have Haki either simply because this is the New World and there should be a larger amount of Logias here due to their power imbalance.
    Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji have haki because they spent that 2-year timeskip training their asses off.

    Nami and Chopper spent that time becoming experts in their fields by studying under the most advanced specialists in the world.

    Franky wasn't training, he was rebuilding. He had the technology. Making himself better. Stronger. Faster. Better.

    Robin was presumably exploring ancient ruins and making contacts within the revolutionaries, though obviously she found time to improve her devil fruit powers.

    Usopp was getting back in shape and figuring out his new plant-toys.

    If any of the remainder of the group has anything resembling haki, it'd be Brook, who's been training his music, his body, and his devil fruit power over the past two years.

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    It was stated outright that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the only ones in the Strawhats. For the moment that's open and shut.

    And its worth remembering that Haki is not a threshold of strength, its a highly useful skill but not the only road open. Luffy still beat people parties that had it in Part 1. Alternately we had Otohime who's probably among the weaker combatants.
    The only two groups that I can think of were Enel's group and Sandersonia and Marigold. Everyone else who had Haki beat Luffy hard.

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    I dont think any of those people have Haki, simply because its not something that comes on your own, and none of them has done any training that would indicate they had learned to use it (Usop may be an exception).
    I don't necessarily mean they have access to both. Observation is the big one, its universally useful and I can't imagine too many in the New World without, at least, that.

    Still, even venturing into the new world its not that big of a deal, DF fruits are kinda rare, Logia fruits even more so, and users with the kind of mastery that protects them completely from physical attacks most of all.
    There has already been a noticeable increase in the amount of Logia that have been introduced. Hell, both Caesar and Monet are Logia. Then you've got Kizaru, Akainu, and Aokiji(wherever he disappeared to). Smoker has been in the series from very early point and two of Luffy's earliest enemies were Logia, Crocodile and Enel. With the fact that Logia are inherently the strongest type of DF, it only makes sense that they'll become more prevalent the farther they get into the New World.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscipleofBob View Post
    Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji have haki because they spent that 2-year timeskip training their asses off.

    Nami and Chopper spent that time becoming experts in their fields by studying under the most advanced specialists in the world.

    Franky wasn't training, he was rebuilding. He had the technology. Making himself better. Stronger. Faster. Better.

    Robin was presumably exploring ancient ruins and making contacts within the revolutionaries, though obviously she found time to improve her devil fruit powers.

    Usopp was getting back in shape and figuring out his new plant-toys.

    If any of the remainder of the group has anything resembling haki, it'd be Brook, who's been training his music, his body, and his devil fruit power over the past two years.
    Nami and Chopper I can understand. Robin is also one that probably wouldn't have it, though we know she obviously got stronger and the only way that would've happened is by training with the Revolutionaries who likely have Haki themselves. What kind of crappy army would Dragon be putting together if they didn't?

    Franky, he is a lot like Robin, just without the convenient army to train with. We really don't know what he did other than rebuild himself, which I doubt took two years.

    Usopp and Brook, however, in my opinion, almost certainly have at least Observation. Usopp's role on the team is sniper which already gives him a basic need for the ability, but then you have to remember that he lived on an island that could literally eat him at any point it wanted in those two years. After that, there is his training with Heracles. I do agree with you on Brook, outside of the main three, he is the one who probably trained the most.

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    Franky had the free time to install nipple lights and a hair changer button. He definitly finished rebuilding himself before 2 years were up.

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    There has already been a noticeable increase in the amount of Logia that have been introduced. Hell, both Caesar and Monet are Logia. Then you've got Kizaru, Akainu, and Aokiji(wherever he disappeared to). Smoker has been in the series from very early point and two of Luffy's earliest enemies were Logia, Crocodile and Enel. With the fact that Logia are inherently the strongest type of DF, it only makes sense that they'll become more prevalent the farther they get into the New World.
    And with the exception of Monet, they all seems to be the leaders (even if not in a official capacity) of their respective groups, it is a highly unusual situation when you see 2 Logia users on the side.

    And thats not to mention all those people you mentioned are extremely strong, Smoker or Monet of them would crush anyone but the monster trio in the SH group, even without Logia immunity, and the 3 admirals could proberly crush as well in a 1 on 1 fight.

    Franky had the free time to install nipple lights and a hair changer button. He definitly finished rebuilding himself before 2 years were up.
    Or else he didnt finish before the 2 year mark because he installed a nipple light and a hair changer
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    Or else he didnt finish before the 2 year mark because he installed a nipple light and a hair changer
    Naw, if I recall he EXPLICITLY said that since he had extra time, he just added random crap.

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    Naw, if I recall he EXPLICITLY said that since he had extra time, he just added random crap.
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    I believe it was one of the chapters that were introducing the new Franky. Either his hair button or his nipple lights, I forget which.

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    Knowing Franky, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually added those first :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suichimo View Post
    The only two groups that I can think of were Enel's group and Sandersonia and Marigold. Everyone else who had Haki beat Luffy hard.
    Remember all of Amazon Lily (far as we can tell) use Haki too. The ladies are stronger then normal marines and such I'm sure, but Luffy already beat some of the explicitly strongest on the island in beating the Gorgon Sisters. For that matter pretty sure IIRC Lufffy tore through at least one of the upper level Marines supposed to have it at Marineford. Though I'm admittedly sketchy, there.

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    Everyone has both, they're just better at one yes?
    In theory, yes, but in practice, we've seen people having access to observation haki, but not armament. In the case of Luffy and Coby, who both showed observation haki at Marineford, it was clearly because they weren't yet trained in it and apparently developed it spontaneously before having had a chance to use armament, but in Skypeia, numerous characters, both trained (Enel and his group, Gan Fall) and untrained (err, the little girl from Wiper's tribe) had mantra, but not a single one showed a sign of armament haki, and at least in Enel's case it's clear he didn't have it simply because of his troubles in hurting Luffy's rubber body, which would never have been an issue had he possessed armament haki.
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    and at least in Enel's case it's clear he didn't have it simply because of his troubles in hurting Luffy's rubber body, which would never have been an issue had he possessed armament haki.
    Weren't his troubles because lightning wouldn't work on rubber, its rather doubtful to me that haki would help that anyways.

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    Weren't his troubles because lightning wouldn't work on rubber, its rather doubtful to me that haki would help that anyways.
    His trouble was because Luffy's DF made him immune to both Enels DF and his fists, but if Enel had possed armament Haki, then he could have defeated Luffy simply by punching him in the face a couple of times or 10.
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    His trouble was because Luffy's DF made him immune to both Enels DF and his fists, but if Enel had possed armament Haki, then he could have defeated Luffy simply by punching him in the face a couple of times or 10.
    Enel could (and did) attack Luffy in several ways, such as heating his trident or melting gold. Why would a punch be more successful than a superheated trident?

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    Enel could (and did) attack Luffy in several ways, such as heating his trident or melting gold. Why would a punch be more successful than a superheated trident?
    ... You have read the chapters that explained Haki right?
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    ... You have read the chapters that explained Haki right?
    Yes, but I'll refrain from discussing this since I despise veiled insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    Just something I thought of, would Zoro's ability to cut through steel be a rudimentary form of armament Haki? It does fit and it makes his battle with Das Bones even better in retrospective. For that matter Sanji's Diamble Jamble might also fit into that a little.
    I just recently rewatched that fight in the anime, and it actually seemed more like observation Haki.

    When Mr.1 cut him and the pillar he was leaning on, the pillar crumbles ands falls on Zoro, but he somehow avoids it. Mr.1 even comments about it, but Zoro responds with "I didn't Dodge them... I knew where they would fall." And he goes on to talk about hearing the "breath" of the stone, and other objects, including Mr.1s steel body. So I personally think its observation Hakuna, and he uses it to find the weak points of objects, plus this explains Zoros crazy dodging skills.
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    Possibly, I'd have to re-watch the fight and to be certain we would need Word of God. In either case is was pretty awesome fight and yes that would make Zoro even more badass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    ... You have read the chapters that explained Haki right?
    Given that this is anime where the logic often follows its own rules... if Enel never trained his basic non-electric physical combat abilities then his pure physical punches may well be less effective. At least compared to a superheated weapon from a guy that like temperatures as hot as the sun. Ergo even with Haki he's not going to win a fist fight. I'm a latecomer to One Piece so I can't answer in detail (because I haven't read that arc) but it would make a good deal of sense.

    Not like Luffy's toughness comes entirely from being rubber. I suspect we can probably put together that even Luffy's DF powers are not complete protection from blunt attacks. Not Logia style anways.

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