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Thread: One Piece -- Discussion
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2012-10-17, 06:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerCaesar's henchmen mention is is a mand-made Devil fruit and that it was a failure... perhaps Momonosuke is stuck in "animal" form and can't change back?
I am curius how the Harpy-lady (no relationship with Yu-gi-oh) got her wings, I assumed she ate a Zoan bird fruit all the time; but she is a logia, I think logically she was experimented on by either vegapunk or Caesar.
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2012-10-17, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wasn't that explained some chapters back?
SpoilerCaesar used animal parts to fix survivors from original incident?
Edit: Damn, I didn't remember how that went either, ignore my post.
Edit2: chapter 664 appears to be relevant, but it doesn't give specific answer about Monet.Last edited by darksolitaire; 2012-10-17 at 08:26 AM.
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2012-10-17, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-17, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Basically, Law offered to fix all their crippleness in exchange for..something or other, I forget, so he replaced their bad limbs with good animal ones. It's why Brownbeard is a crocodile.
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2012-10-17, 09:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerMomo and Kinemon keep getting more and more interesting.
Could it be they will both join the crew...? I don't think they will, but boy, do I want them to.
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2012-10-17, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just because it would make a bit more sense to me for the Kitsu-Kitsu Fruit (or whatever) to be a Zoan then a Paramecia that grants you kitsune magic.
Yeah something like that, he's not important right now but his power is just plain weird
Obviously because he needs to grant somebody's wish first.... what?Last edited by Soras Teva Gee; 2012-10-18 at 02:14 AM.
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2012-10-17, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerWell, that pretty much confirmed that Zoro has armament haki. I still believe that both he and Sanji have both Armament and Observation. No reason for the second and third strongest members of the crew not to be able to use both.
Other than that, not much more than setup this week.
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2012-10-17, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-17, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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As far as I know, the only two Strawhats, outside of Luffy, that can use haki are Zoro and Sanji. When Law asked if anyone on the crew could use it, those were the only two others that Luffy named. Its a strong belief of mine that Usopp has haki, at least Observation considering he's the sniper/gunner. I don't know about everyone else, though I personally don't think Nami needs Armament due to the nature of her attacks but she's never really fought a Logia either.
It'd be kind of hard for me to believe that Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brook don't have Haki either simply because this is the New World and there should be a larger amount of Logias here due to their power imbalance.Last edited by Suichimo; 2012-10-17 at 03:33 PM.
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2012-10-18, 02:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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It was stated outright that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the only ones in the Strawhats. For the moment that's open and shut.
And its worth remembering that Haki is not a threshold of strength, its a highly useful skill but not the only road open. Luffy still beat people parties that had it in Part 1. Alternately we had Otohime who's probably among the weaker combatants.
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2012-10-18, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just something I thought of, would Zoro's ability to cut through steel be a rudimentary form of armament Haki? It does fit and it makes his battle with Das Bones even better in retrospective. For that matter Sanji's Diamble Jamble might also fit into that a little.
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2012-10-18, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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It'd be kind of hard for me to believe that Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brook don't have Haki either simply because this is the New World and there should be a larger amount of Logias here due to their power imbalance.
Still, even venturing into the new world its not that big of a deal, DF fruits are kinda rare, Logia fruits even more so, and users with the kind of mastery that protects them completely from physical attacks most of all.
It was stated outright that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the only ones in the Strawhats. For the moment that's open and shut.
Just something I thought of, would Zoro's ability to cut through steel be a rudimentary form of armament Haki? It does fit and it makes his battle with Das Bones even better in retrospective. For that matter Sanji's Diamble Jamble might also fit into that a little.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-10-18, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji have haki because they spent that 2-year timeskip training their asses off.
Nami and Chopper spent that time becoming experts in their fields by studying under the most advanced specialists in the world.
Franky wasn't training, he was rebuilding. He had the technology. Making himself better. Stronger. Faster. Better.
Robin was presumably exploring ancient ruins and making contacts within the revolutionaries, though obviously she found time to improve her devil fruit powers.
Usopp was getting back in shape and figuring out his new plant-toys.
If any of the remainder of the group has anything resembling haki, it'd be Brook, who's been training his music, his body, and his devil fruit power over the past two years.
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2012-10-18, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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The only two groups that I can think of were Enel's group and Sandersonia and Marigold. Everyone else who had Haki beat Luffy hard.
I don't necessarily mean they have access to both. Observation is the big one, its universally useful and I can't imagine too many in the New World without, at least, that.
Still, even venturing into the new world its not that big of a deal, DF fruits are kinda rare, Logia fruits even more so, and users with the kind of mastery that protects them completely from physical attacks most of all.
Nami and Chopper I can understand. Robin is also one that probably wouldn't have it, though we know she obviously got stronger and the only way that would've happened is by training with the Revolutionaries who likely have Haki themselves. What kind of crappy army would Dragon be putting together if they didn't?
Franky, he is a lot like Robin, just without the convenient army to train with. We really don't know what he did other than rebuild himself, which I doubt took two years.
Usopp and Brook, however, in my opinion, almost certainly have at least Observation. Usopp's role on the team is sniper which already gives him a basic need for the ability, but then you have to remember that he lived on an island that could literally eat him at any point it wanted in those two years. After that, there is his training with Heracles. I do agree with you on Brook, outside of the main three, he is the one who probably trained the most.
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2012-10-18, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Franky had the free time to install nipple lights and a hair changer button. He definitly finished rebuilding himself before 2 years were up.
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2012-10-18, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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There has already been a noticeable increase in the amount of Logia that have been introduced. Hell, both Caesar and Monet are Logia. Then you've got Kizaru, Akainu, and Aokiji(wherever he disappeared to). Smoker has been in the series from very early point and two of Luffy's earliest enemies were Logia, Crocodile and Enel. With the fact that Logia are inherently the strongest type of DF, it only makes sense that they'll become more prevalent the farther they get into the New World.
And thats not to mention all those people you mentioned are extremely strong, Smoker or Monet of them would crush anyone but the monster trio in the SH group, even without Logia immunity, and the 3 admirals could proberly crush as well in a 1 on 1 fight.
Franky had the free time to install nipple lights and a hair changer button. He definitly finished rebuilding himself before 2 years were up.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-10-18, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-18, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Naw, if I recall he EXPLICITLY said that since he had extra time, he just added random crap.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-10-18, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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I believe it was one of the chapters that were introducing the new Franky. Either his hair button or his nipple lights, I forget which.
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2012-10-18, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Knowing Franky, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually added those first :P
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2012-10-18, 09:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Remember all of Amazon Lily (far as we can tell) use Haki too. The ladies are stronger then normal marines and such I'm sure, but Luffy already beat some of the explicitly strongest on the island in beating the Gorgon Sisters. For that matter pretty sure IIRC Lufffy tore through at least one of the upper level Marines supposed to have it at Marineford. Though I'm admittedly sketchy, there.
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2012-10-19, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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In theory, yes, but in practice, we've seen people having access to observation haki, but not armament. In the case of Luffy and Coby, who both showed observation haki at Marineford, it was clearly because they weren't yet trained in it and apparently developed it spontaneously before having had a chance to use armament, but in Skypeia, numerous characters, both trained (Enel and his group, Gan Fall) and untrained (err, the little girl from Wiper's tribe) had mantra, but not a single one showed a sign of armament haki, and at least in Enel's case it's clear he didn't have it simply because of his troubles in hurting Luffy's rubber body, which would never have been an issue had he possessed armament haki.
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2012-10-19, 02:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-19, 04:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Weren't his troubles because lightning wouldn't work on rubber, its rather doubtful to me that haki would help that anyways.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-10-19, 04:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-19, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Enel could (and did) attack Luffy in several ways, such as heating his trident or melting gold. Why would a punch be more successful than a superheated trident?thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-10-19, 07:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-19, 07:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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I just recently rewatched that fight in the anime, and it actually seemed more like observation Haki.
When Mr.1 cut him and the pillar he was leaning on, the pillar crumbles ands falls on Zoro, but he somehow avoids it. Mr.1 even comments about it, but Zoro responds with "I didn't Dodge them... I knew where they would fall." And he goes on to talk about hearing the "breath" of the stone, and other objects, including Mr.1s steel body. So I personally think its observation Hakuna, and he uses it to find the weak points of objects, plus this explains Zoros crazy dodging skills.Last edited by chainer1216; 2012-10-19 at 07:17 AM.
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2012-10-19, 07:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-19, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Given that this is anime where the logic often follows its own rules... if Enel never trained his basic non-electric physical combat abilities then his pure physical punches may well be less effective. At least compared to a superheated weapon from a guy that like temperatures as hot as the sun. Ergo even with Haki he's not going to win a fist fight. I'm a latecomer to One Piece so I can't answer in detail (because I haven't read that arc) but it would make a good deal of sense.
Not like Luffy's toughness comes entirely from being rubber. I suspect we can probably put together that even Luffy's DF powers are not complete protection from blunt attacks. Not Logia style anways.