One Piece -- Discussion

[Dscherro]

Spoiler

Show

Doflamingo's past? Guess: he is related to a world noble, or at least someone else who's really high up in the WG.

[Kato]

Well, new chapter.

Spoiler

Show

Wow, Law realizes that plotting with Luffy is like plotting with... any other mindless, directionless force of nature friendship. He could just have ordered him to kill Ceasar, I guess...


Apart from that... Flamingo's subordinates are pretty entertaining. A revolving man and a woman made of guns who can not refuse any request? I think I have my new favorite Strawhat Though she should never meet Sanji, I'm afraid.


And will Franky finally get a chance to be awesome? Let's find out!

[Dscherro]

Spoiler

Show

I wonder, if one of those shadowy figures was Kaidou or one of his subordinates. And does this guy who's with top-hat look like Jean Bart?

[Soras Teva Gee]

Spoiler

Show

I wonder, if one of those shadowy figures was Kaidou or one of his subordinates. And does this guy who's with top-hat look like Jean Bart?

I was thinking someone else there....

Spoiler

Show

I mean that is the too obvious idea yes?

[Dscherro]

Spoiler

Show

I meant the guy top hat is talking to, he immediately reminded me of Jean Bart. But you're right: it could be Blueno without his awesome cow hair.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Spoiler

Show

I meant the guy top hat is talking to, he immediately reminded me of Jean Bart. But you're right: it could be Blueno without his awesome cow hair.

Oh I see now.. yeah I can see where it could be either. One a bit more sensible, but without really knowing what's going down there's no way to be sure.

I can't think of anyone else for our shadowy figure in the headgear though... though always possible its someone new.

[Kato]

It's not impossible but I'd tend towards someone new... Not that I would dislike bringing him back but... Hm... I'm not sure if it would be Oda's style.IF he wants to bring back an old adversary BRING BACK KURO!!! (I liked Kuro...)

[Soras Teva Gee]

I didn't care for Kuro much. Besides he'd be just a little weak to bring back.

[Kato]

I guess it has something to do with him being like the third villain in the show and and the first to be a serious threat...
Also, I wasn't quite settled into the theme of OP and I kept expecting him to have a change of heart. If I think about it, he wasn't thatspecial but let me keep my nostalgia goggles please
Though the strength argument can be made against pretty much any old villain... The Strawhats have ten times the power they used to have, no one they beat pre-timeskip could keep up with them without serious training.

[ThiagoMartell]

Though the strength argument can be made against pretty much any old villain... The Strawhats have ten times the power they used to have, no one they beat pre-timeskip could keep up with them without serious training.

I'm pretty sure Crocodile, Enel and Magellan would still be good challenges.

[Soras Teva Gee]

That was my thought as well. Enel and Magellan can say fairly they weren't conclusively defeated, and Crocodile took three damn tries and help from Robin... and he's got being a damn Bond villain working against him.

Heck Gecko Moriah while he never *quite* threw down proper is the only guy (by properly applying his power through Oars) to throw down with the entire Straw Hat crew simultaneously. Even in Seabody you didn't see that all out combined offensive.

I'd dispute also whether anyone in East Blue posed a serious challenge to the Straw Hats in a stand up fight outside Arlong.

Who's also the only guy that I'd be comfortable saying has outclassed as a threat by the story advancing. Almost everyone else was either never a serious threat (to Luffy at least) once the fighting started, or clearly still the superior power on the whole.

CP9 is really the only set of antagonists to fit the typical shonen-escalation formula of forcing everyone to get stronger in response to their threat. Also so help me CP9's cover story does a fair bit to set them up for returning, I dare say if any antagonists make sense to come back stronger then ever its them.

[ThiagoMartell]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oars fought (Shadow) Luffy and then all the other Strawhats (minus Luffy), right? Still quite the accomplishment, anyway... and probably Chopper's most amazing moment in the series when they do take him down.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Yep, you're right its Straw Hat Crew, Nightmare Luffy, and then final finish all together yeah. Still the by far the biggest single fight in the series for our heroes though not the toughest conflict.

[Kato]

Hm... I'd argue whether Arlong was really a strong challenge to at least Luffy. Yeah, he beat Zoro and Sanji and even if they weren't beat up beforehand I guess they would not have been much trouble. But iirc didn't Luffy quite swipe the floor with him? But maybe the same thing is true for Kuro... I guess I need to go back and read/watch again.


Moria, really? Moria felt to me like the worst excuse for a Shichibukai ever. The one big advantage he had going for him was Oars and the millions of shadows he had stolen. Unless he got to restore his resources on that level he is not much of a threat. Or he gets another giant body to control.

Enel is... difficult to put down. He was in quite an usual disadvantage against Luffy but I don't think there is much he could do now unless he improved a lot. Also, with Haki I think both Zoro and Sanji have the skills to fight him now as well. Then again we don't know how much good his observation haki will do him.

Crocodile... well, I like Crocodile (as much as you can like someone who was ready to let thousands die in a civil war) and he has shown to be quite skilled apart from merely being a Logia user and I guess he would still be quite a challenge if he did a little keeping up.

Well, Magellan was not so much beat as "we got barely away without dying".

The whole of CP9... hm... I guess they were quite evenly matched back then but they were just getting used to their powers. So they could have improved a lot I'll admit. But most of them have settled for a peaceful life now (last time we saw them)

[Silva Stormrage]

Hm... I'd argue whether Arlong was really a strong challenge to at least Luffy. Yeah, he beat Zoro and Sanji and even if they weren't beat up beforehand I guess they would not have been much trouble. But iirc didn't Luffy quite swipe the floor with him? But maybe the same thing is true for Kuro... I guess I need to go back and read/watch again.


Moria, really? Moria felt to me like the worst excuse for a Shichibukai ever. The one big advantage he had going for him was Oars and the millions of shadows he had stolen. Unless he got to restore his resources on that level he is not much of a threat. Or he gets another giant body to control.

Enel is... difficult to put down. He was in quite an usual disadvantage against Luffy but I don't think there is much he could do now unless he improved a lot. Also, with Haki I think both Zoro and Sanji have the skills to fight him now as well. Then again we don't know how much good his observation haki will do him.

Crocodile... well, I like Crocodile (as much as you can like someone who was ready to let thousands die in a civil war) and he has shown to be quite skilled apart from merely being a Logia user and I guess he would still be quite a challenge if he did a little keeping up.

Well, Magellan was not so much beat as "we got barely away without dying".

The whole of CP9... hm... I guess they were quite evenly matched back then but they were just getting used to their powers. So they could have improved a lot I'll admit. But most of them have settled for a peaceful life now (last time we saw them)

With Moria you also have to realize that Moria at the time was morbidly obese and out of shape/practice. If you see him back when Pirate King was being executed he looks completely different. If Moria gets in shape his powers could be ludicrously strong. Especially if he gets 1 or 2 of the straw hats first and absorbs their shadows (Not like absorbing a thousand shadows like he did where he could barely move. Just a few strong shadows to improve himself)

[Soras Teva Gee]

Kato I'm going to change a slight bit of emphasis in what you wrote and want you to think about that "beat Zoro and Sanji" you wrote. And after that he went on to pose a pretty stiff challenge to Luffy.

Enel by Word of Oda if bountied for his threat level would be in the 500 mil range. That puts him over everyone but Ace for bounties, so on par with a Whitebeard commander who showed they could fight Admirals and Dracule Mihawk. Aside from that think of all the nasty things Kizaru might do and realize that lightning is much the same as light in this regard. Now Luffy could probably beat Enel outright now, but while Zoro and Sanji can hurt him... yeah I'm going with still a threat.

Now Moria is a pretty loathsome and uninspiring villain... but its still his powers that drove the entire Thriller Bark arc. I call his whole strategy pretty smart, and his power set is one of the most impressive.

And Kato I think you are misremembering CP9's Independent Report. It ends when Spandam sends Marines after them, them kicking the Very Good's arse all over the place, and phoning Spandam to threaten their eventual return before sailing off into the unknown.

[Kato]

Well, not to argue too much about it but a few rebuttals:

Didn't Arlng finish Zoro and Sanji with little less than a slight of hand? I don't recall much fighting there, though I could be entirely wrong. But I think he was pretty much at peak power when he and Luffy faced each other after Luffy's recovery.

As I said, Enel is probably the one hardest to put down. Yeah, he potentially has the same power level as Kizaru but just the range of your DF powers is not that great an indicator. Luffy has some stupid rubber powers and... well, you get my point. I'm not saying he couldn't possibly pose a threat (to anyone but Luffy) but 500 Mio is not that much more than what Luffy used to have so I'd argue even at this point the new Strawhats would be somewhere around his power level. (Well, the stronger ones)

How do we know the extent of Moria's powers? I mean, to me it really seemed he was among the weakest threats (just power wise) on the Grandline, Wapol not withstanding. Yeah, he has potential if he gets enough support and time and whatnot but his one-on-one battle strength always seemed underwhelming to me.

Yeah, apparently I forgot half of the arc, my bad Well, then maybe we can see them again, though I think it would be weird for them to join an evil (pirate) group now/again.

[ThiagoMartell]

As I said, Enel is probably the one hardest to put down. Yeah, he potentially has the same power level as Kizaru but just the range of your DF powers is not that great an indicator. Luffy has some stupid rubber powers and... well, you get my point. I'm not saying he couldn't possibly pose a threat (to anyone but Luffy) but 500 Mio is not that much more than what Luffy used to have so I'd argue even at this point the new Strawhats would be somewhere around his power level. (Well, the stronger ones)

Not much more?! It's almost twice Luffy's bounty!

[Kato]

Not much more?! It's almost twice Luffy's bounty!

Well, it depends on what you consider much I'll admit. Yeah, 500 and 300 is quite a difference but I'd assume Luffy's power has more grown in the dimension of five or ten folding. Though, then again maybe I'm too used to DBZ power scales where your increases much faster than a bounty does.

[ThiagoMartell]

Well, it depends on what you consider much I'll admit. Yeah, 500 and 300 is quite a difference but I'd assume Luffy's power has more grown in the dimension of five or ten folding. Though, then again maybe I'm too used to DBZ power scales where your increases much faster than a bounty does.

Bounty is not a power scale anyway but I understand your reasoning.

[lord_khaine]

New episode.

Spoiler

Show

Am i the only one who think its his own heart that Ceasar is holding in his hand now?

[Somewhere]

Well, this could also go in the Naruto thread, but anyway...

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...rk-next-summer

---

Also, anybody want to dress like Sanji?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...-sale-in-japan

[Dscherro]

Well, this could also go in the Naruto thread, but anyway...

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...rk-next-summer

Shounen Jump is the japanese Disney!?

Also, anybody want to dress like Sanji?

YES PLEASE! This is awsome

[Soras Teva Gee]

New episode.

Spoiler

Show

Am i the only one who think its his own heart that Ceasar is holding in his hand now?

Nah gotta be...

Spoiler

Show

Monet's heart. Remember Law had from his pact with Caesar, we've not seen it and she's about to do something dangerous.

Doubtless the plan was taking it back from Caesar after Luffy bitch smacked him, and use it for just such an eventuality as Law knew Monet would do much what she's doing. But it working out this way is doubtlessly Luffy's luck at work once more.

Law never got Caesar's heart, if he had it would have been a lot simpler no?

[lord_khaine]

Spoiler

Show

Hmm, yeah that does seem logical, i would have imagined Law swiping the heart of Ceasar, but it being Monets heart does make more sense.
Now to see if having your heart crushed is actualy fatal to a Logia user

[Soras Teva Gee]

Of course it is, they die of a broken heart.

I'm told that pun alone has just raised my bounty by 10 million berri.

[Silva Stormrage]

Spoiler

Show

Hmm, yeah that does seem logical, i would have imagined Law swiping the heart of Ceasar, but it being Monets heart does make more sense.
Now to see if having your heart crushed is actualy fatal to a Logia user

considering Smoker's reaction to having his heart cut out I would assume yes.

[Kato]

Of course it is, they die of a broken heart.

I'm told that pun alone has just raised my bounty by 10 million berri.

I just now notice the hidden text. I was about to say something along these lines


Anyway, I thought the same as khaine at first, except I'd assume you notice when you have your heart cut out, even by Law. But Soras is more likely right.

It's nice to see Franky in action... but... throwing a shield with a star shape on it as a boomerang?! Really, Oda? REALLY?

Monet seems to be a quite dedicated bitch, though... I wonder why that is but I guess we won't be finding out.

[Soras Teva Gee]

I just now notice the hidden text. I was about to say something along these lines

It will get you every time.

It's nice to see Franky in action... but... throwing a shield with a star shape on it as a boomerang?! Really, Oda? REALLY?

I think One Piece has looong passed the point where anything should surprise you.

(And Franky is a the good ol' USA's representative on the Straw Hats)

[Susano-wo]

to be fair, he only called it a boomerang. The reaction seems to indicate that this is Franky's innacurate/silly attack naming scheme at work,where he calls it a boomerang, but its just that he threw the shield