We reject physics in the name of AWESOME! (ToB Discipline, repost, 3.5, WIP)

[Agrippa]

Yeah, I'm aiming for more of the "How the hell does a 5' 10" 150 pound dude jump straight up 50 feet and bisect a dragon with a three foot long sword" style of defying physics than the "kill someone with their own skull" type... Sorry.

Though that style would make for an... interesting discipline...

My thoughts exactly. If you want a set of disciplines based off of Genesis's fighting style use Diamond Mind, Iron Heart and Hero's Edge. Angeal's/Zack's/Cloud's style could be reflected by Iron Heart, Stone Dragon and Hero's Edge while Sephiroth would have Diamond Mind, two-hander friendly Tiger Claw maneuvers, Iron Heart and of course Hero's Edge. The maneuver mentioned wouldn't fit either of the the three. Now Tifa on the other hand might pull off something like that.

[Morph Bark]

Yeah, I'm aiming for more of the "How the hell does a 5' 10" 150 pound dude jump straight up 50 feet and bisect a dragon with a sevenfoot long sword" style of defying physics than the "kill someone with their own skull" type... Sorry.

Though that style would make for an... interesting discipline...

Fixed That For You.

Alternatively, you could just play kadoosh.

Now Tifa on the other hand might pull off something like that.

Or use Limit Monk.

[The-Mage-King]

Or use Limit Monk.

...You know, a gestalt campaign where everyone had levels in one of the Limit classes would be kinda neat...

[dgnslyr]

I... I think I just nerdgasmed. This is my favorite homebrew ToB discipline, by far.

On the other hand, it seems more powerful than other disciplines, but a discipline with maneuvers this awesome is allowed to. As for a 9th level maneuver, how about something out of left field? You already have the big ones, Omnislash, Renzokuken, etc., below ninth, so it better be really awesome. I'd like to see what the 9th level maneuver will be.

[The-Mage-King]

I'd like to see what the 9th level maneuver will be.

As mentioned... The Omnislash v6. The one from AC: Complete.

[Morph Bark]

Personally, I think it would be hilarious to have a 9th-level maneuver with a really intricate and imposing name, but have it just commonly be known as "Chef's Knife".

[Fan]

Who else would I use for my discipline focused on cutting things to pieces with an oversized sword?



Hm...

Naturally. How else would he kill Aerith/Aeris? He min-maxed his falling damage, that's how!

I'll fix that.

Point on the Angelic Apotheosis thing. I'll adjust that...

And maybe the bardic music thing will be a feat made later... After all, I know that Background Music will be a wonderful thing to stick onto other classes...



Listen, the first disciple's name starts with a G. The second, with an A.

The second one will be the Zack/Cloud style one. I've already got the abilities named, they just need to be defined...

How about this guy?

If not him, then I suggest a new hero based upon Kamina, a man known for his determination, telling you to believe in the him who believes in you, and this.

[The-Mage-King]

Personally, I think it would be hilarious to have a 9th-level maneuver with a really intricate and imposing name, but have it just commonly be known as "Chef's Knife".

A Tonberry... *shudder*

How about this guy?

If not him, then I suggest a new hero based upon Kamina, a man known for his determination, telling you to believe in the him who believes in you, and this.

Uh, no. I already have the major players in the discipline planned out, alond with the name of their master and his PrC's bare bones...


Besides, TDO already made a discipline for Hamina. I mean Kamina.

[The-Mage-King]

Right. I just updated the second and third posts with three new maneuvers, including the capstone.

Their names?

Element Blade.

Assault Twister.

Omnislash v6.

Look 'em over and see if they need revising.

[The-Mage-King]

So... They're good? I can call this done (aside from a PrC or three)?

Excellent...

[The-Mage-King]

And I have just put up the last of the three main PrC, though I think it might be a little on the strong/highly specific end...

[absolmorph]

That's, uh, pretty specific.

Omnislash v6 seems like it'll do a lot of damage.
At level 17, it's 10 attacks. With Blasting Zone, that's already 40d6 damage. A medium character using a greatsword with the Hero's Blade feat will do 3d6+Str per hit, bringing the total damage to 70d6+(10*Str)
Assuming a Strength score of 30 (which gives a bonus of +10), that's going to be 70d6+150, averaging at 395 (39.5 per attack). Each attack will have a bonus of +22.
That just seems kinda high to me.

[The-Mage-King]

That's, uh, pretty specific.

Omnislash v6 seems like it'll do a lot of damage.
At level 17, it's 10 attacks. With Blasting Zone, that's already 40d6 damage. A medium character using a greatsword with the Hero's Blade feat will do 3d6+Str per hit, bringing the total damage to 70d6+(10*Str)
Assuming a Strength score of 30 (which gives a bonus of +10), that's going to be 70d6+150, averaging at 395 (39.5 per attack). Each attack will have a bonus of +22.
That just seems kinda high to me.

Hm.. Suggestions for lowering it to a more reasonable amount? Maybe just adding a caveat that you cannot gain bonus damage from stances on it?

[absolmorph]

Hm.. Suggestions for lowering it to a more reasonable amount? Maybe just adding a caveat that you cannot gain bonus damage from stances on it?

That could help. That would bring the damage down to 30d6+(10*Str).
For reference, the level 9 Desert Wind maneuver deals 100 fire damage in a 60 foot burst (centered on you). This deals 255 on average (using the same Strength I previously did).
Devoted Spirit grants a Heal spell with a range of 10 feet, Diamond Mind grants two full attacks, Iron Heart grants an extra 100 damage to one attack and Shadow Hand adds 15d6 and a you roll to determine what ability damage you do.
So, assuming straight Warblade, this is only somewhat better than Diamond Mind's level 9 maneuver, giving 2 more attacks and whatever falling damage (which is unlikely to be huge).

It took me a while to remember to check the thread, otherwise I would have done this earlier.

[Thrawn183]

I'd like to see you change the size restrictions from Huge or larger to 2 size categories or more larger than the initiator.

[The-Mage-King]

That could help. That would bring the damage down to 30d6+(10*Str).
For reference, the level 9 Desert Wind maneuver deals 100 fire damage in a 60 foot burst (centered on you). This deals 255 on average (using the same Strength I previously did).
Devoted Spirit grants a Heal spell with a range of 10 feet, Diamond Mind grants two full attacks, Iron Heart grants an extra 100 damage to one attack and Shadow Hand adds 15d6 and a you roll to determine what ability damage you do.
So, assuming straight Warblade, this is only somewhat better than Diamond Mind's level 9 maneuver, giving 2 more attacks and whatever falling damage (which is unlikely to be huge).

It took me a while to remember to check the thread, otherwise I would have done this earlier.

Added the caveat, and I believe... Yes, I believe that was the last thing to deal with!

I'd like to see you change the size restrictions from Huge or larger to 2 size categories or more larger than the initiator.

...And no it wasn't.

Hm...Give me a second to do something to save me the trouble of editing all that...

[NecroticPunch]

Hm... why aren't there any stances?

[The-Mage-King]

Hm... why aren't there any stances?

... There. Are.

[NineThePuma]

I like this. =D

I am sad I can't use more than one of the Student PrCs at once though.

Might I recommend adding some of Sephi's more memorable abilities as well? Such as Octoslash and Heartless Angel?

[absolmorph]

I think someone with more experience with balance should give any more critique; I'm don't have too much experience with homebrew. It looks like it's pretty good, overall. There's not much

However, I am using this as the focus of an NPC in my campaign. He was introduced exploding a jail cell, which he was in because he leapt onto a dragon's back. Unarmed and unarmored.

[The-Mage-King]

However, I am using this as the focus of an NPC in my campaign. He was introduced exploding a jail cell, which he was in because he leapt onto a dragon's back. Unarmed and unarmored.

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...Give me that fellows name. He shall be marked down among the "notable users" when I get around to writing it.

Because that is entirely approproiate for the discipline.

[absolmorph]

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...Give me that fellows name. He shall be marked down among the "notable users" when I get around to writing it.

Because that is entirely approproiate for the discipline.

Egonil Plamenagi, wandering swordsman extraordinaire.
I thought a cell door being destroyed (from the inside) was a fitting introduction for the guy who would be a tutor for this discipline.
The rest was just me figuring out why he was there.

[NineThePuma]

A question!

Are you aware that Stone Dragon maneuvers only work while in contact with the ground?

[absolmorph]

A question!

Are you aware that Stone Dragon maneuvers only work while in contact with the ground?

I'm assuming you were looking at the Student of the Second prestige class. If I'm correct, look at the capstone. And most of the Hero's Edge maneuvers can be used just fine on the ground, too. Only a few require aerial defiance of physics.

[Lix Lorn]

Hey, TMK! What are the hit dies for the PrCs? Also, does the second have a BAB requirement?

[The-Mage-King]

...Knew I forgot something. In order- d8, d12, d10.

And the second does not have a BAB requirement.

[Lix Lorn]

Awesome, and intriguing! xD

[The-Mage-King]

Awesome, and intriguing! xD

It does have an IL 5 requirement, though.

[Lix Lorn]

I took it after ten levels of Swordsage, so it oughta be okay. xD

[absolmorph]

I have a question, actually.
I'm looking at Follower of the Third. How does the Falling Hero Stance interact with multiple attacks on a charge?