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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    Lord Byron? As in "Mad, bad, and dangerous to know"? The man who had an incestuous relationship with his half-sister?

    I'm sorry, but that rips me out of the story and says "STORY!" Harsh but true. I'll try to find my suspension of disbelief.

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    Huh, didn't make that connection.

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    The connection is coincidental. And remember, super-fast updating this week. You'll get a better understanding of Rust, Murphy, Perry, and the situation by the end of the week!

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    Why do i not post here anymore? bluh.


    i hate this rust guy allready.
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    so, i'm the only one who A. sees a connection between rust and our favorite dragon's preffered features when faking human?
    and B. that Rust read them the riot act of all the false things that the Plavaan definitely do NOT do, quite sarcastically, and since they agreed with him on those things, he's given up hope on them and wants to talk to byron directly?
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    I feel like "rust" is an evil outsider or something else that's not going to end well for lord Byron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leakingpen View Post
    so, i'm the only one who A. sees a connection between rust and our favorite dragon's preffered features when faking human?
    and B. that Rust read them the riot act of all the false things that the Plavaan definitely do NOT do, quite sarcastically, and since they agreed with him on those things, he's given up hope on them and wants to talk to byron directly?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubi View Post
    I feel like "rust" is an evil outsider or something else that's not going to end well for lord Byron.
    I'm asking this because you guys have very different opinions: Why do you think this?

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    I think Rust is the real thing and is speaking what he thinks is the truth. The prejudices just run all the way up the religion.

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    I guess because of the colour of rust and the summoning magic; besides the pentagram is usually portrayed in media as a demonic (or at least evil) sign to use.

    At least those are my theories.
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    This bodes ill...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    I'm asking this because you guys have very different opinions: Why do you think this?
    I have a couple of different reasons.

    1.I'm fairly certain There are evil outsiders with the ability to look like other things.
    2. A pathfinder game I joined is about to start. In the campaign world, several devils have lead rebel groups to destruction by disguising themselves as angels.
    3. There's probably an archdevil or demon lord that would benefit by the assassination of lord Byron. Even if he's not going to be assassinated, there are probably several things Rust can do to benefit an Archdevil/demon lord/Yugoloth whatever.

    It's of course possible for Rust to be a flawed angel, I just think it might be just as likely for him to be an evil outsider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leakingpen View Post
    so, i'm the only one who A. sees a connection between rust and our favorite dragon's preffered features when faking human?
    and B. that Rust read them the riot act of all the false things that the Plavaan definitely do NOT do, quite sarcastically, and since they agreed with him on those things, he's given up hope on them and wants to talk to byron directly?
    No. Or at least, not with B. I tend to ramble so I'll excuse if you just ignore my posts but:

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    ...Huh.
    So does Rust want to talk to Lord Byron one-to-one to avoid Perry's meddling or is he really just that oblivious? As far as I know Astrid's ascent and descent happened in the time of the existing Plaavan's ancestors so his blaming them for the Salblaze thing, especially since that was a crime perpetrated by one or two individuals, really is ridiculous and it's pointless blaming people for wanting to have somewhere to live too.Yes, I know, these things get real life societies set against one another too but it just seems incredibly short sighted for a divine being. Unless divine beings in Aequar follow a similar moral code to the Gods of Greek mythology in which case anything goes
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    Edited to Add: Whilst I'm hoping Rust was acting to get Perry out of the way it doesn't strike me as wise to re-inforce wholesale slaughter as a valid tactic to General Murphy, who doesn't seem quite so certain that what they're doing is right... so I'm not sure that he was.... Perhaps he was hoping to talk to Murphy alone afterwards?
    I suppose I didn't say he was being sarcastic necessarily, but I was trying to suggest he might be listing those reasons so he could just dismiss them and Murphy if they didn't question the reasons' validity and that he wasn't spouting the stuff about Salblaze and Red Fever because that was what he believed.

    Edited to Add: On the plus side though, even if Rust is being sincere, he thinks the Plaavan will leave 90% of Kago's glory intact so, fair's fair, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubi View Post
    2. A pathfinder game I joined is about to start. In the campaign world, several devils have lead rebel groups to destruction by disguising themselves as angels.
    I'd have to agree with the speculation that Rust is an evil outsider in disguise for the same reason. Also, if I'm not reading too much into what he said, Rust told Murphy and Perry exactly what they wanted to hear. It's entirely possible that Astrid could just be flawed, but she is a Good goddess. With her almost omniscient view of the world, you'd figure that she would at least consider the possibility that many of the Plavaan are innocent people who just want to live out their lives in peace.

    I just think it's likely that Evil outsiders are mixed up in this somewhere. The thought of a good deity slaughtering innocents is probably the kind of thing that makes them giddy.

    In any case, both possibilities would make for an interesting story.
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    Wait, you think I'm copying Pathfinder? I've never even played it.

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    I think Kyuubi means, that the evil outsider masquerading as an envoy of a god is a common (and IMO) good literary device; I don't think he is accusing you of ripping off from an established setting
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Wait, you think I'm copying Pathfinder? I've never even played it.
    No, I meant that Rust could be a devil or something else disguised as an angel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RdMarquis View Post
    No, I meant that Rust could be a devil or something else disguised as an angel.
    Ah, okay. The wording got me confused. Thanks. I better start working on tomorrow's update soon!

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    I noted that Rust said he personally agreed with them. That word personally would be unnecessary unless there were others who felt differently. Perhaps Astrid realises that many Plaavan are good people but now some of her celestial followers believe she's making a mistake. So Rust believes he's helping Astrid by misinforming the Kagoians about the Celestial view on their actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    I think Kyuubi means, that the evil outsider masquerading as an envoy of a god is a common (and IMO) good literary device; I don't think he is accusing you of ripping off from an established setting
    Exactly. I only meant it as a reasoning for why I thought it may be an evil outsider. I wouldn't accuse you of ripping somebody else off. You seem too nice to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubi View Post
    Exactly. I only meant it as a reasoning for why I thought it may be an evil outsider. I wouldn't accuse you of ripping somebody else off. You seem too nice to do that.
    Thanks, Kyuubi. And sorry if I seemed like I was accusing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Thanks, Kyuubi. And sorry if I seemed like I was accusing you.
    Not a problem. I wasn't offended by it. I'm just sorry that I phrased it in such a way that you got offended.

    Looking forward to finding out what happens.
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    Wait, Rust wasn't always an outsider? Is that normal in Aequar?

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    Well, i KNOW its stupid, but, similar haircut and umm, "facial features" ties him to the dragon in my mind.

    and,,, the dialogue just sounds like sarcasm. From the, like you're doing with the plavaan? to the rest of the line, it just screams sarcasm to me.
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    huh... I wonder what he's actually doing. Is he actually easing his pain, or is he killing him? If he's telling the truth, then that changes everything that was mentioned before about him. Could he really be a good guy who just thinks that killing the Plavaans is the right thing? Sorta like a pre-epiphany Lloyd?

    Or maybe he could even be controlling the king so that he can take over the world. Who knows.
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    Probably some Orison from a splatbook. When we write up this world, we'll have to detail it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMuffin View Post
    Is he actually easing his pain, or is he killing him?
    I immediately thought that the former was a euphemism for the latter, but no Xs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMuffin View Post
    huh... I wonder what he's actually doing. Is he actually easing his pain, or is he killing him? If he's telling the truth, then that changes everything that was mentioned before about him. Could he really be a good guy who just thinks that killing the Plavaans is the right thing? Sorta like a pre-epiphany Lloyd?

    Or maybe he could even be controlling the king so that he can take over the world. Who knows.
    Or maybe he opposes killing the Plavaan AND doesn't like to see people suffering.

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    Wait, Rust wasn't always an outsider? Is that normal in Aequar?
    It's normal in standard D&D so unless we're told or have reason to belive otherwise, it's probably the same in Aequar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMuffin View Post
    huh... I wonder what he's actually doing. Is he actually easing his pain, or is he killing him? If he's telling the truth, then that changes everything that was mentioned before about him. Could he really be a good guy who just thinks that killing the Plavaans is the right thing? Sorta like a pre-epiphany Lloyd?

    Or maybe he could even be controlling the king so that he can take over the world. Who knows.
    Why can't he hate what they are doing to the plavaan and want to stop it, but still be unable to bear watching a mortal suffer in pain when he can do something about it?
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    Why does everybody think Rust disapproves of the Plavaan slaughter when he quite clearly said he approved without an ounce of sarcasm?
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