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Thread: Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
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2010-12-05, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
Do animals and other monsters get the (unmentioned) unarmed strike attack due to BAB if only natural attacks (such as a single bite) are listed in their entries.
Now it would still be unarmed and thus provoke AoO and be non-lethal...but they 'should' still have them available, yes?
Would they be proficient with it?
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2010-12-05, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
The Unarmed Strike listing mentions that all characters can use it. In the glossary the term character and creature are deemed synonymous, so an animal could use an Unarmed Strike.
Animals (or Animal Types) are listed in the Glossary sections of the Monster Manuals as being 'only' proficient with Natural Weapons.
Therefore, an animal can use an Unarmed Strike, but is both non-proficient (-4 attack), can only deal nonlethal damage, do a pathetic amount of damage (1d2 for small animal) and will look stupid doing so.
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Fun Fact: As per the PHB, Monks aren't proficient with Unarmed Strikes either!
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2010-12-05, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
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2010-12-05, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
Advance a large/huge animal (Druid Companion or as a DM)
Pick up Improved Unarmed Strike and Improved Grapple.
Even with a -4 proficiency to hit the touch attack to grapple should be no problem.
But, then the natural attack(s) becomes a secondary attack for -5 to hit and only 1/2 Str damage I believe...
Still, an Elephant taking a full attack on a party as normal...but then finishing up with 2 (BAB+8/+3) grapples to grab and then pin an opponent by sitting on them it just a great concept. With Earth's Embrace the Elephant sitting on them deals 1d6+10+1d12 lethal damage a turn and they are pinned against a +30 grapple check on top of any of the normal natural attacks (at -5 to hit and 1/2 str granted)
EditedLast edited by Benejeseret; 2010-12-05 at 06:13 PM.
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2010-12-05, 06:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
No, the natural attacks are not offhand attacks. They're natural attacks, and if used in combination with a manufactured weapon (or unarmed strike), they're secondary natural attacks, which is what you meant.
Secondary natural attacks have -5 penalty to attack roll and only add 1/2 Strength bonus to damage.Quotes:Praise for avatar may be directed to Derjuin.Spoiler
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2010-12-05, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
Furthermore
Why wouldn't ANY animal with the improved grab ability or the constrict ability NOT use those unarmed attacks to further grapple checks for damage once they have the grapple?
I bet a lot of DM's forget this. I know I have as I am just realizing this.
A Brown Bear that Improve Grab auto-grapples a character would get one additional unarmed BAB attack (not included in the natural attack 'Full Attack' listings) to use toward a grapple to either pin or crush (1d4+8) the victim.
Constrictor Snake, Giant gets one bite attack and 2 unarmed attacks/grapple constrict attacks per turn this way. I normally would have only swapped the bite for the constrict.
Am I reading this out of context would this be the way these animals are supposed to be used?
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2010-12-05, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do Animals Get Unarmed Strike?
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