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    Clearly, I explained myself very poorly. I apologize, let's see if I can arrange something better.
    HandsofShadows was wandering about "how old were Erfworld's characters".
    You answered that "The oldest person whose age we know of we know of in erfworld is a little more than a thousand turns old, and a turn lasts a day. So... 3 or 4 years old".

    Erfworlds unit pop already adult. They don't know what a child is.

    In our world, a 15 years old guy is a teenager that doesn't even remember well his childhood... in Erfworld, you have an adult with 15 years of experience in a field of competence. Since their first day of existence, they are "fully" operative, so my point is that we cannot compare erfworld's turns to our world's years.
    ...He wasnt saying that all Erfworldera are toddlers. (funny thought though.). He was saying that a thousand turns=thousand days=a little bit less than 3 of our years. He wasnt comparing a human three year old to Erfworlds ancients, he was saying that using OUR measure of time (which is whackadaisiale, we dunno how long erf days ARE, turns can be 4 hours or 400, or however long you want them to be) they are *this* old.

    It wasnt a comparison, it was a statement, like "that dog js 60 in dog years". Arbritary and semantic-full.
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    It wasnt a comparison, it was a statement, like "that dog js 60 in dog years". Arbritary and semantic-full.
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    We do know how time works in erfworld this update spells it out. A 24 hour day is the limit for a turn, no matter how you slice it.
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    So how is this all going to play out? An arrow in time I hope?

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    Wow Jillian is really hooked. And what from what Wanda said when the flowers no longer work or you try to break the addiction there must be really bad withdrawly symptoms.

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    It looks like Jillian and Wanda come to terms....
    Also, if a ruler can transfer rulership, they wouldn't need to kill Judy, just Olive
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    It looks like Jillian and Wanda come to terms....
    Also, if a ruler can transfer rulership, they wouldn't need to kill Judy, just Olive
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    There is nothing in the prophecy saying, which ruler of Haffaton Jillian will get to croak. She might even go for a daily double.
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    Archer baught it (darn I sorta liked him), but Jetstone certainly lost their heavies, leadership for the copy and there is a good chance both casters there as well. But the copy still has a chance to get where he wants to go. So it's a race. Who will win?

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    Who's Ziggy? It sounds familiar...
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    Who's Ziggy? It sounds familiar...
    Ziggy was a computer from the TV show Quantum Leap that was always giving out odds. Scott Bakula (Who played Captain Archer on "Enterprise") played the lead role on the show.

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    So it's a race. Who will win?
    Stanley's troops can win the carnage, but actually there's no more one willing (or able) to stop the copyking. Unless something new is gonna happen from MK, before the king will reach the throne...
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    At this point, why would the Gobwin Knob troops on the ground follow him anyway? He's delivering himself into a trap of his own devising, as far as they can see--they have all the turns in the world to take him down. If they knew what his plan was they'd maybe be more worried, but they don't know it...

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    "Never interrupt the enemy when he's in the process of making a mistake," is a bit of military advice I'd expect to be beyond unled basic units, which I'm not sure I'd classify as sapient.

    And the line between "making a mistake" and "executing a cunning plan I haven't grasped the shape of" is not always a clear one, anyway. Stopping the enemy when they try to do something on the theory that whatever they're doing is probably not going to be good for you in the long run, even if you're not entirely sure how, is a pretty good general rule.
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    "Never interrupt the enemy when he's in the process of making a mistake," is a bit of military advice I'd expect to be beyond unled basic units, which I'm not sure I'd classify as sapient.
    We get to see the world from the perspective of an unled archer unit, and she IS sapient. She isn't very strong-willed, but she has thoughts, feelings, a degree of intellect (I'm hoping she becomes a warlady later... for some reason >.> I'm honestly not sure why I would care). We also see a stabber, both before and after decryption, of Unaroyal and he seemed sapient.

    Because contrary to popular belief 'sapient' does not mean 'smart'
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    Those vignettes were exactly what I was thinking of when I said that I wasn't sure basic Erflings were really sapient. Sentient, certainly. Sapient..... eh. Their ability to make rational decisions is limited to nonexistent, and they're certainly (explicit canon) not capable of choosing not to attack an enemy unless they've been so ordered by a leader unit.

    (And "sapient" does actually mean "smart". Or "wise", at least.)
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    Those vignettes were exactly what I was thinking of when I said that I wasn't sure basic Erflings were really sapient. Sentient, certainly. Sapient..... eh. Their ability to make rational decisions is limited to nonexistent, and they're certainly (explicit canon) not capable of choosing not to attack an enemy unless they've been so ordered by a leader unit.

    (And "sapient" does actually mean "smart". Or "wise", at least.)
    No, it doesn't. Sapient just means 'capable of rational decisions'. It doesn't mean those decisions are intelligent.

    Sapient = "possessing or expressing great sagacity"

    ...

    Sagacity = "the quality of being sagacious"

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    Sagacious = -of keen and farsighted penetration and judgment : discerning <sagacious judge of character>
    -caused by or indicating acute discernment <sagacious purchase of stock>

    ...well that doesn't help! By these definitions, a hawk with good eyesight is sapient! ><

    Sagacious = having or showing an ability to understand difficult ideas and situations and to make good decisions

    ... Okay.

    We have seen through the archer that units are capable of making choices that the unit finds difficult to make (she stopped looking at the archons and decided not to sleep with another stabber based on what others would think of her) Just not MILITARY choices. Why? Because they are never called upon to make those choices - a unit is told to listen to someone else, at all times. They never learn, or think for themselves, and so they never do.

    Learning is the brother of wisdom, after all - if a human is never taught anything, they will never learn anything, and will never be wise or make difficult choices. But does that make them non-sapient? I don't think so.
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    I know this issue has been discussed earlier, but am I the only one that is confused and frustrated by the competing story lines? I applaud Rob for his ambition willingness to experiment, but it doesn't work for me. Aside from the well-described problem with pacing, I find that each comic leaves me unsatisfied. Part of the problem is that I have zero interest in the Jillian character, so I wish Rob would stop hat story and focus on the others. I realize that Rob is doing that so that he can maintain a regular update schedule, but I find it harder to keep my interest in the comic.
    Am I the only one who feels this way?

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    I don't feel that way at all. To me they are two different stories taking place at different points in time but in the same world. They work with each other not work against each other. And Inner Peace isn't just about Jillian. It's Wanda's story as well nad is giving us a geart deal of background on Erfworld.

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    I don't feel that way at all. To me they are two different stories taking place at different points in time but in the same world. They work with each other not work against each other. And Inner Peace isn't just about Jillian. It's Wanda's story as well nad is giving us a geart deal of background on Erfworld.
    I actually like the Wanda-Jillian story better. Maybe because I like Wanda a lot. I does feel like two different stories, though. Exept we know that both Wanda and Jillian survive and Olive does not. (or at least that Haffaton does not). When telling a story, it is better to just start at the beginning...
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    I know this issue has been discussed earlier, but am I the only one that is confused and frustrated by the competing story lines? I applaud Rob for his ambition willingness to experiment, but it doesn't work for me. Aside from the well-described problem with pacing, I find that each comic leaves me unsatisfied. Part of the problem is that I have zero interest in the Jillian character, so I wish Rob would stop hat story and focus on the others. I realize that Rob is doing that so that he can maintain a regular update schedule, but I find it harder to keep my interest in the comic.
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    I actually like the Wanda-Jillian story better. Maybe because I like Wanda a lot. I does feel like two different stories, though. Exept we know that both Wanda and Jillian survive and Olive does not. (or at least that Haffaton does not). When telling a story, it is better to just start at the beginning...
    Think about it in a different way. One of the strongest aspects in the prequel is fate/free will; as a reader, you already know what the future is like, just not how it gets there... not all different from a predictomancer having a vision.
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    am I the only one that is confused and frustrated by the competing story lines?
    Easy solution: come back later, and read both storys when they are finished
    I have zero interest in the Jillian character, so I wish Rob would stop hat story and focus on the others. I realize that Rob is doing that so that he can maintain a regular update schedule
    Rob stopping the story of Book 0 will not cause Xin to draw pages any faster.
    But we would miss a lot about the whole background of Erf ...
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    Things are getting more interesting and may soon be coming to a head.

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    Indeed. It appears that Inner Peace is coming to... a turning point?
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    It's certainly a very thorny decision Wanda has to make.

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    You know, I wonder how the RCC might react should word ever spread of the fact that Wanda is a royal.

    Heck, how would Stanley react?

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    Stanley strikes me as the type who doesn't particularly care as long as she keeps up her good work.

    RCC... would probably just get angrier at her because she's betrayed the whole Royal Mandate To Rule stuff in favor of the whole Arkentool thing.
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