Metal Thread V - Defenders of the Faith

[ex cathedra]

I don't see how Korn, Tool, and Rage Against the Machine aren't metal. Especially the first two; Nu-Metal, believe it or not, is a subgenre of metal, and Tool is like the best Isis cover band ever. I don't think that NIN and Soundgarden play metal, but I like NIN's first two albums quite a bit regardless.

[shiram]

Well see to me the only thing metal about nu-metal, is the word metal...
I equate it to something like the hair metal movement in the late 80's.

And rock bands with metal element really blur the line.

But that is just my opinion.
Also liking a band does not make them metal, as I said, I do like some of the bands I listed before, and I have been a great fans of NIN's earlier material.

[zeratul]

Well see to me the only thing metal about nu-metal, is the word metal...
I equate it to something like the hair metal movement in the late 80's.

And rock bands with metal element really blur the line.

But that is just my opinion.
Also liking a band does not make them metal, as I said, I do like some of the bands I listed before, and I have been a great fans of NIN's earlier material.

I don' t think anyone int his thread would be reffering to Korn or SLipknot as metal because they liked them . I don't think I would require hands to count the number of positive things said about either of the two bands in these threads. That said both have undeniably metal elements in the majority of their music, primarily in the drums and in the guitars. But yeah NIN while good =/= metal, agreed.

[Marillion]

I like Slipknot.

[toasty]

I like Slipknot.

BURNTHEHERETIC!BURNTHEHERETIC!BURNTHEHERETIC!BURNT HEHERETIC!

[ex cathedra]

I like Slipknot.

That's fine, too. I mean, it's no worse than liking Metallica. It's not like I can expect everyone anyone to have perfect taste.

[Nameless]

Hey, I love Slipknot. In fact, I have a massive poster of them on my wall. Right next to my Alexi Laiho, Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath posters.

[Borgh]

to prove there is no such thing as a "first" metal band, go listen to this
1968, undoubtably metal. made by the greatest pop band of all time.

[zeratul]

Hey, I love Slipknot. In fact, I have a massive poster of them on my wall. Right next to my Alexi Laiho, Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath posters.

*covers ears* lalalalalalalala ,I can't hear you. I can't hear you

[Decoy Lockbox]

Geez, I take a break for a little while and y'all get to fussin' and squabblin' about something for which there is no answer -- what is metal? You might as well ask us acolytes of metal to venture forth into the wasteland seeking an answer to the riddle of steel...only to find the answer was pulsing in our veins the entire time.

Considering that Jethro Tull won a Heavy Metal Grammy for Crest of a Knave, beating out Metallica's ...And Justice For All, I'd say the definition of metal has changed greatly over the past 20 years.

No, this demonstrates that the Grammys and legitimate metal are like oil and water.

Happy B day Quorthon, grandfather of black metal and viking metal!!

ALL HAIL !!

He's listed on my FB page under my "most inspirational people". One man, one vision, one garage, one goat head. Global consequences. BLACK F*CKING METAL.

And anyone willing to share their guilty pleasures?

Its not the bands per se, but when I listen to Fairyland or Virgin Steele in my car, I like to pretend that I'm the vocalist on stage, and make crazy sweeping hand gestures as I sing the lyrics as loud as I possibly can

[toasty]

Its not the bands per se, but when I listen to Fairyland or Virgin Steele in my car, I like to pretend that I'm the vocalist on stage, and make crazy sweeping hand gestures as I sing the lyrics as loud as I possibly can

I've done this, much to the amusement of my friends, while listening to Dragonforce.

Did I mention Dragonforce is a guilty pleasure? cuz they probably are. Not a big one, but it exists.

[bloodlover]

I think it's really hard do define metal without being influenced by personal preferences. It's a really big genre (doom, death, black, power, heavy etc) so it's impossible to compare it to anything. In my opinion, metal's beauty as a genre is because of the fact that every person that listens to it can identify with it. I personally don't consider Korn, Slipknot, Linkin Park (nu-metal in general for that matter) because I don't indentify it with what I think metal is.

This is not metal -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRGrNDV2mKc

This is METAL -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-49noOAFsG8

I want to hear riffs, insane guitar solos, great voices etc. Screaming and randomly hitting a cord is not metal.

Oh and here's a great band I enjoy listening too very often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agSCz...eature=related

[toasty]

My friend once said Metal is really a super genre, saying how bands like ManoWar and Amon Amarth, while both metal, aren't really... very similar. There are common threads, but not enough to say "same genre" and didn't feel like saying subgenre was enough of a difference.

Also Bloodlover, I approve of that Saxon song. Need to listen to them more.

[RationalGoblin]

Huh, I found a Swedish... heavy metal/power metal band it says it is, called Narnia.

They aren't bad, here's a sample.

Not too shabby. Not the best, but fairly respectable.

[bloodlover]

I love Narina.

[ex cathedra]

I think it's really hard do define metal without being influenced by personal preferences. It's a really big genre (doom, death, black, power, heavy etc) so it's impossible to compare it to anything. In my opinion, metal's beauty as a genre is because of the fact that every person that listens to it can identify with it. I personally don't consider Korn, Slipknot, Linkin Park (nu-metal in general for that matter) because I don't indentify it with what I think metal is.

This is not metal -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRGrNDV2mKc

This is METAL -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-49noOAFsG8

I want to hear riffs, insane guitar solos, great voices etc. Screaming and randomly hitting a cord is not metal.

See, this is a perfect example. I could care less about riffs, and I loathe people who talk about bands while using terms like 'riffage.' Solos can be okay, but I don't like them in and of themselves. I like vocals of nearly every sort. We obviously have nearly opposite opinions on metal. I really don't see how that Saxon song is any more metal than Korn, but I think that they're both in the same supergenre. For that matter, I don't like either of them.

[Mythestopheles]

Anyone seen this guy? I found him the other day, and he seems pretty good.

[zeratul]

Hey, would any of you folk have any reccomendations for which Rhapsody of Fire album to start with if attempting to get into them? I was looking at their discography and it's a little daunting, so advice would be appreciated.

[shiram]

Tales from the Emerald Sworg Saga, is a decent best of compilation.
If not, I found Legendary Tales to be quite decent, also Power of the DragonFlame.
They would be the standouts for me.

[bloodlover]

Doro Pesch anyone ? I think she's without a question the queen of metal

[Moff Chumley]

You know who's awesome? Sleep. I lurve that band muchly. Also Boris. And Acid King.

This thread has too much power/symph/shiny metal. It needs more sludge. =D

[Marillion]

Hey, would any of you folk have any reccomendations for which Rhapsody of Fire album to start with if attempting to get into them? I was looking at their discography and it's a little daunting, so advice would be appreciated.

If you give a damn about the story, obviously, start with the beginning. If not (which I suggest), my personal favorites are Dawn of Victory and Power of the Dragonflame

[ex cathedra]

You know who's awesome? Sleep. I lurve that band muchly. Also Boris. And Acid King.

This thread has too much power/symph/shiny metal. It needs more sludge. =D

This.

Also this, this, and this.

[toasty]

Doro Pesch anyone ? I think she's without a question the queen of metal

Never heard of her before, honestly... its not that good IMO. Simone Simons is currently my favorite Heavy Metal Goddes.

[bloodlover]

Never heard of Doro ???? Are you kidding me? She's been singing since 1984 and she still rocks. In the long run she outlasted Lita Ford, Girlschool, Vixen and other 80's chick bands. Check out her song with UDO

[grimbold]

Never heard of her before, honestly... its not that good IMO. Simone Simons is currently my favorite Heavy Metal Goddes.

while they are both good
does janet jackson count as metal?
she was at least hard rock.
I like her more than either of them.
Also the chick from flyleaf (although thats more alernative) is pretty awesome

[zeratul]

while they are both good
does janet jackson count as metal?
she was at least hard rock.
I like her more than either of them.
Also the chick from flyleaf (although thats more alernative) is pretty awesome

I don't think so, actually is Flyleaf metal either? I'd always just thought of them as pop rock /pop hard rock.

I second Toastey's nomination for Simmone Simons as metal queen, Anna Murphy is up there as well I'd say

[Decoy Lockbox]

Hey, would any of you folk have any reccomendations for which Rhapsody of Fire album to start with if attempting to get into them? I was looking at their discography and it's a little daunting, so advice would be appreciated.

My personal favorites are "Symphony of Enchanted Lands" and "Dawn of Victory"...they are just jam-packed with power metal awesomeness.

My personal queen of metal would have to be the lead guitarist/vocalist for Darkened Nocturn Slaughtercult.

does janet jackson count as metal?

[bloodlover]

My personal queen of metal would have to be the lead guitarist/vocalist for Darkened Nocturn Slaughtercult.

My god this is awesome on so many levels! Also, she makes me horny

[Moff Chumley]

Neither Janet Jackson or Flyleaf are even remotely metal.

And just for the sake of being contrary and sludge metal-y, and on the topic of females in metal, there's Lori S., the guitarist and singer in Acid King, and Liz Buckingham, the guitarist in Electric Wizard.