Witchunt V1.0 Game 3 - We are going to need more ducks

[CitizenFry]

No, it shouldn't. If no one dies for X days and everyone keeps wanting to do that, I'll declare it a draw between the alive factions.

If there were no living scum, you'd declare a town victory, but if there are living scum who don't kill people, you'd declare it a draw? That's kinda goofy. I mean, from the perspective of Steve the not-appearing-in-this-game Townsfolk, those two conditions are identical (that is, people are just living their lives, and there are no dead bodies)

[Gray Mage]

If there were no living scum, you'd declare a town victory, but if there are living scum who don't kill people, you'd declare it a draw? That's kinda goofy. I mean, from the perspective of Steve the not-appearing-in-this-game Townsfolk, those two conditions are identical (that is, people are just living their lives, and there are no dead bodies)

I there were no living scum, town would fullfill its win condition, which is get rid of the scum. If town doesn't get rid of the scum, town doesn't fullfill the condition and doesn't win.

[Ramsus]

CitizenFry's point about lynching is basically correct if we assume the JW is dead. Which seems fairly likely right now.

Onime I'll have to counter your idea about teaming up with the JW. As was mentioned earlier they would just try and sac me just to be safe.

The concept of agreeing to a draw tickles me. If the JW is indeed dead there's no particular reason to do so unless the wolf convinced people to lynch me before he died. On the other hand it would mean that the towns people set aside their xenophobia and the monsters agreed to not be monstrous and everybody lived happily ever after. I think I'm slightly in favor of it just because of how funny it would be.

[Onime-no-Enishi]

Onime I'll have to counter your idea about teaming up with the JW. As was mentioned earlier they would just try and sac me just to be safe.

What i meant was if you ARE in fact not the spy xD and the sac vote attempt failed, but yea, just saying =P

Either ways, I think its safe to assume ramsus is indeed the spy for now, while we look for information about the werewolf, im not even sure how to go about this, pressuring people for info will give werewolf info too. Anyone have ideas?

[Ramsus]

If two actual Witches sac point at each other both would die. That question came up in Witch chat after Orzel got sacced.

[Mannikath]

Thought: If we do lynch, all else aside, shouldn't we judge lynch? (Between two targets?)

I mean, is there any downside as long as Ramsus is continuing to play nice?

[Tydude]

Thought: If we do lynch, all else aside, shouldn't we judge lynch? (Between two targets?)

I mean, is there any downside as long as Ramsus is continuing to play nice?

That's a good point. We should vote on who the Judge should lynch, though. My vote goes to CitizenFry.

[CitizenFry]

Thought: If we do lynch, all else aside, shouldn't we judge lynch? (Between two targets?)

I mean, is there any downside as long as Ramsus is continuing to play nice?

Medium doesn't get to know if we hit the JW?

[Mannikath]

Medium doesn't get to know if we hit the JW?

Good point, except is this ultimately significant?

[CitizenFry]

What is the upside to judge lynch, other than not accidentally killing the judge (which seems to actually be a downside, if we are concerned about the wolf)?

[Rogue Nine]

not accidentally killing the judge

About that...

Yeah, this one I know for sure. Flea-roy killed the judge.

[CitizenFry]

Maybe you could not say things like that?

[Rogue Nine]

Maybe you could not say things like that?

If a wasted lynch still counts as a no lynch for the X number of days, we need to know.

[Tydude]

So, we're actually lynching, then. CitizenFry at deadline.

[Ramsus]

I'm confused, am I still not NKing people? I think it would be safer if I was. If we hit Fry and he bounces the next day he (if he's the wolf) will go on a mad devouring spree. It's better that the wolf not know when his time is up.

[Eternal Drifter]

A large number of important roles are dead. This feels like trouble to me.

The Judge, the Nun, the Martyr, and the Leeroy are all dead. The Priest and Spritiallist are, theoretically, dead.

Either the Junior Witch is still alive, or the Werewolf is still out and about. I have my money on the second one.

And I have this theory that it's CitizenFry (at deadline).

What really bothers me... I see NO way to move forward other than to start lynching. We can spend many days, nights, weeks... even years debating this, if the situation does not change. We need to change the situation.

[Onime-no-Enishi]

Well, if the werewolf does go on a devour spree, it will end, im quite sure he doesnt know who most of us are.

Deadline Vote on CitizenFry

[CitizenFry]

vote tally:

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Lynch votes: (9 alive, 5 is majority)
seraine: 1 (zanshin)
CitizenFry: 0+3 () + (Tydude, Eternal Drifter, Onime-no-Enishi)
(null): 5 (Ramsus, Mannikath, Leta, CitizenFry, seraine)

Alive guys:
Tydude, Ramsus, Zanshin, Mannikath, Onime-no-Enishi, Leta, CitizenFry, seraine, Eternal Drifter

Dead guys:
Hipen3 (D1), Orzel (N1), Sotek (N1), Qwaz (D2), byers2142 (D3), Istari (N3-martyr'd), Horoar (D4* judgelynch), Murska (N4), Interneeeeeet Flea (D5-Leeroy'd), VA_beds (D5), Irbis (D6), Crunchy English (N6), nobody (D7, N7)

Day ends: approximately 2:00 pm eastern Feb 24

OK, seems like people want to kill me? Well, I'd like to give a claim so as to not get lynched, but I think the werewolf has plenty of info already. Instead, I will go down if that's what you guys think is best. I will leave you with my reads though, hopefully the DOB can make some use of this:

Townie McTownsalot: Zanshin, Mannikath, Tydude

Ramsus: 50% spy, 50% warlock

possible werewolves: Onime, Eternal Drifter

I have no clue because they just don't post ever: seraine, leta

[Ramsus]

(*grumbles* Stupid terrible memory.) Did Tydude claim as something? If not why is he on the townie list. Just your gut feeling?

[CitizenFry]

No, I don't think Tydude claimed anything. I think the rest of your question falls under "we should probably not talk about this while there's a wolf running around."

I think I need to die in order for town to move forward. Having come to terms with that, I have been thinking about how best to die.

option 1: lynch. Pro: This gives Zanshin information, maybe he can use it to counterclaim somebody later.
option 2: nightkill. Con: town doesn't know whether the wolf is dead or not. Pro: if the GAs have reason to believe I'm town, they can protect me, which saves us a voter for a town-vs-witch endgame.

[Onime-no-Enishi]

actually, after thinking it through again, id rather Deadline Vote on Seraine and get the silent ones to talk more rather than lynch someone who has been talking alot already >>;

If anything, I'd be pissed if Leta and/or Seraine are the JW/Werewolf (Assuming JW is still alive, though very high chance he/she still is), and we didnt even do anything to get them to talk a little at the very least.

[Tydude]

No, I don't think Tydude claimed anything. I think the rest of your question falls under "we should probably not talk about this while there's a wolf running around."

I think I need to die in order for town to move forward. Having come to terms with that, I have been thinking about how best to die.

option 1: lynch. Pro: This gives Zanshin information, maybe he can use it to counterclaim somebody later.
option 2: nightkill. Con: town doesn't know whether the wolf is dead or not. Pro: if the GAs have reason to believe I'm town, they can protect me, which saves us a voter for a town-vs-witch endgame.

First off, no I have not claimed. Secondly, if you are actually sacrificing yourself I choose lynch. If you die then Zanshin gets information and we're all good. If you don't die then Ramsus can NK you and we're still all good. And if GAs for whatever reason think you're the Survivalist they can protect you and it'll still be fine. So, I'm good with lynch.

[Ramsus]

Personally I would rather the GAs not interfere, they really aren't likely to know anything we don't since the priest died so early. Chances are the priest managed to scry anyone still alive are pretty low. And if they accidentally save the WW...ugh. If they fail to save the survivalist....so what? They're more likely to prevent me from getting rid of the WW or the JW than they are to do anything that would help town at this point as far as I can tell.

But I don't have any problems with lynching. And I'll agree with Onime and vote for Seraine.

[seraine]

I think that I won't say anything yet, as I don't want to give the werewolf info. If I'm lynched, I think that it would be better than giving the werewolf info.

[Mannikath]

I think I'm mostly okay with any of these targets. seraine, time to speak up.

[Mannikath]

Same time post. Pretty insubstantial, but...

Leta, you're on deck simply because I like seraine's post history slightly better. You have the burden of needing to give us considerably more information than seraine just did.

[Tydude]

Actually, I can get behind that. Leta at deadline.

[Ramsus]

*shrug* One's as good as the other. Seraine 15 minutes of fame have ended, your turn Leta.

[Mannikath]

I'm toying with the idea that the Survivalist, if alive, should be made to claim. I'm not committing to the idea yet, but it seems solid.

The idea is based on these facts:

-If we fail to lynch someone, we HAVE to NK or DOB them. We HAVE to.
-If the Survivalist comes forward now, we can bounce a NK off their extra life to proof their claim.
-It doesn't really matter if the Werewolf can eat them, because as the first point indicates the alternative to this is having to spend the DOB killign them ourselves, which is far worse and could lose us the game.

Thoughts?

[Mannikath]

To reiterate, hitting a survivalist with a lynch is mega-bad. If I were JW I'd instantly join that night, sac Ramsus regardless of whatever he claims, and kill me. (Like, if I were playing a JW that isn't Mannikath, the guy the angels are probably on.)

Then we waste DOB on survivalist and lose in all but the luckiest of cases.