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    Chosen of the Void
    A chosen of the void is a being born into the world that has drawn the attention of an entity is that should not exist. One of the forgotten, more than dead yet somehow still alive beings that exist beyond our simple realm. Vestiges, stretching out their unexplained powers and somehow able to attach themselves to a creature’s soul at the moment of their birth.

    Creating a Chosen of the Void
    Chosen of the void is an inherited template that can be applied to any living corporeal creature with an intelligence score of 4 or more (referred to hereafter as the base creature). Upon applying this template you must choose a vestige from the list below as the vestige that has bonded with the base creature. A chosen of the void will always have it’s vestige’s seal as a birthmark somewhere upon its body.

    A chosen of the void uses all the base creature’s statistics and special abilities except as noted here.

    Special Qualities
    A chosen of the void retains all the special qualities of the base creature and also gains the following:

    Chosen Vessel (Su): The chosen of the void is born with a connection to the vestige that chose it. The chosen of the void is bound to the vestige constantly, and it cannot be expelled. The chosen of the void is always under the influence of the of the vestige, but can resist any requirement it has by succeeding on a Will saving throw with a DC 10 + the vestige’s level (it does not take the standard -1 penalty if it makes the save). Increase the DC by 1 for each successful save made in the last hour. The chosen of the void’s effective binder level for this vestige is equal to its HD. Any granted ability that occurs upon binding renews each day.

    If the chosen of the void binds another vestige to itself it loses all the granted abilities of vestige gained from this template and has a -2 penalty to its effective binder level for as long as the other vestige is bound. The chosen of the void is still under the influence of the vestige, and retains all the other effects of this template. If the binder can bind more than one vestige it the vestige granted by this template takes up one of those slots permanently, and the chosen of the void no longer loses the granted abilities or suffers a -2 penalty if it binds another vestige.

    Claimed Soul: When a vestige claims a soul for their own, the claim extends beyond death and they are loath to give up that which is theirs. When a chosen of the void dies, its soul is pulled to the vestige bound to it. To raise a chosen of the void from the dead the caster of the spell must make a caster level check equal to 10 + the chosen of the void's HD + (2 times the vestige's level). If the caster fails the check then the spell fails, though any components used in the casting are still spent.

    Favored from Beyond (Su): The chosen of the void gains a +2 bonus to saving throws against all mind-affecting spells and abilities.

    Abilities
    Change from the base creature as follows: +2 Con, +2 Cha
    In addition the base creature’s abilities change depending on the vestige. See the table below.

    Skills
    The chosen of the void gains a +4 bonus to any knowledge check relating to the vestige bound to it, thanks to being bound to the vestige since birth. This can be related to the vestige itself, history surrounding or involving the vestige, legends about the vestige, or specific items or knowledge the vestige was interested in.

    Feats
    The chosen of the void gains the Favored Vestige feat even if it doesn’t meet the requirements. The favored vestige is always the vestige chosen for this template.

    Favored Class
    Some vestiges change the favored class of the base creature. See the table below.

    Challenge Rating
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    Level Adjustment
    See the table below.

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    {table=head]Vestige|Level|Ability Mod|Favored Class|CR/LA|Location
    Abysm|8|+2 Int|Psion|+2|Link
    Acererak|5|+2 Int|Wizard|+2|ToM
    Agares|4|+2 Wis|--|+1|ToM
    Ahazu|3|+2 Cha|--|+1|Dungeon 148
    Amon|1|+2 Str|Barbarian|+1|ToM
    Andras|4|+2 Str|--|+1|ToM
    Andromalius|3|+2 Dex|--|+1|ToM
    Ansitif|7|+2 Cha|--|+2|Dragon 357
    Arete|4|+2 Con|Psychic Warrior|+1|Link
    Ashardalon|8|+2 Cha|Sorcerer|+2|Dragon Magic
    Astaroth|4|+2 Wis|--|+1|Dragon 357
    Astaroth|4|+2 Cha|--|+1|Link
    Aym|1|+2 Con|--|+1|ToM
    Balam|5|+2 Wis|--|+2|ToM
    Buer|4|+2 Wis|Ranger|+1|ToM
    Cabiri|4|+2 Wis|--|+1|Dragon 357
    Chupoclops|6|+2 Str|--|+2|ToM
    Dahlver-Nar|2|+2 Con|Binder|+1|ToM
    Dantalion|5|+2 Int|Any|+2|ToM
    Desharis|6|+2 Cha|Bard|+2|Link
    Eligor|7|+2 Str|--|+2|ToM
    Eurynome|4|+2 Con|--|+1|ToM
    Focalor|3|+2 Cha|--|+1|ToM
    Geryon|5|+2 Int|--|+2|ToM
    Haagenti|2|+2 Str|--|+1|ToM
    Halphax|8|+2 Int|--|+2|ToM
    Haures|6|+2 Cha|Sorcerer|+2|ToM
    Ipos|6|+2 Int|Binder|+2|ToM
    Karsus|3|+2 Int|Wizard|+1|ToM
    Kas|4|+2 Str|Fighter|+1|Dragon 341
    Leraje|1|+2 Dex|Ranger|+1|ToM
    Malphas|2|+2 Dex|--|+1|ToM
    Marchosias|7|+2 Cha|Rogue|+2|ToM
    Naberius|1|+2 Con|--|+2|ToM
    Orthos|8|+2 Cha|--|+3|ToM
    Otiax|5|+2 Dex|--|+2|ToM
    Paimon|3|+2 Dex|Rogue|+1|ToM
    Primus|3|+2 Int|--|+1|Dragon 341
    Ronove|1|+2 Wis|Monk|+1|ToM
    Savnok|2|+2 Con|Fighter|+1|ToM
    Shax|6|+2 Dex|--|+2|ToM
    Tenebrous|4|+2 Cha|Cleric|+1|ToM
    The Triad|6|+2 Wis|Wilder|+2|Link
    Vanus|6|+2 Cha|--|+2|Link
    Zagan|6|+2 Str|--|+2|ToM
    Zceryll|6|+2 Int|--|+2|Link[/table]


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    Looks good, although I think you might want to make the LAs higher.
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    The LAs are a hard thing to approach, considering the variance among vestiges. I went for the simple +1 for vestiges level 1-4, and +2 for vestiges level 5-8.

    I suspect that they would benefit the most from a specific LA based on their individual granted abilities instead of their level, but I'm not that experienced with Binders and Vestiges. For instance, I don't think the abilities Halphax grants are really worth a +3 LA.

    If you (or anyone!) have some specific LA suggestions, I'd love to hear them! Though I would like to hear your reasoning behind it too.
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    You're onto something with the level-based thing, though. Basically, I'd just take the vestige's level and divide by 2. If a vestige is powerful for that level, +1 LA, if weak for its level, -1 LA. Done. That's what I'd do.

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    Its a solid idea, but have you looked at some of the higher level vestiges? All 4 of the level 8 vestiges aren't worth +3 LA IMO, much less +4! Especially since many abilities are keyed to your effective binder level (which for the template is your HD), which will be taking a hit because of the LA.

    I suspect that some of the +1s need to be upgraded to +2s, and it is possible that some of the +2s need to be downgraded. But unless I've missed something there isn't a single vestige worth a whopping +3 level adjustment. A template needs to offer a whole lot to offset the loss of 3 HD/Skills/BAB/Saves and class features.
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    Vestigea
    Typo.

    Chosen Vessel -may want to clarify if they take levels in binder whether the chosen vestige counts against their total number of vestiges. I would assume not but this should probably be explicit.
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    Nice typo catch, and good clarification call. You are correct that this vestige would not count against the number to vestiges a character could bind. Updated.
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    Finnally found some time to comment. i really like the concept of a creature claimed from birth by a vestige and execution is well done. A few suggestion to avoid powergaming.

    1: You could make so that the creature can never bind any other Vestige. That way going into binder and using LA buyoff to gain a bonus Vestige + boost to ability score + a feat for nearly nothing is avoid. Plus flavorwise it represent the fact that their soul is claimed by their master vestige.
    2: You could say that if a vestige ability mimic a spell or power you can't use it until your Hit dice equal the minimum caster level of the spell/power. That way you can't use Halphas imprisonement at third level.
    3: If you want to add other limit, maybe make it harder for them to be ressurect either with additional material component or a limit time. It could represent the fact that upon dieing the creature join it's master and it's harder to pull it back ?

    Just a few idea, hope that help.

    Edit: 4: Some vestiges may change or add a favored class to the creature, ranger for Leraje for example. Could be flavorful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zagan View Post
    1: You could make so that the creature can never bind any other Vestige. That way going into binder and using LA buyoff to gain a bonus Vestige + boost to ability score + a feat for nearly nothing is avoid. Plus flavorwise it represent the fact that their soul is claimed by their master vestige.
    Or they could just have a permanently filled vestige slot if they do become a binder.
    2: You could say that if a vestige ability mimic a spell or power you can't use it until your Hit dice equal the minimum caster level of the spell/power. That way you can't use Halphas imprisonement at third level.
    I'd agree with that, although I'd suggest binder level to bind the vestige.
    3: If you want to add other limit, maybe make it harder for them to be ressurect either with additional material component or a limit time. It could represent the fact that upon dieing the creature join it's master and it's harder to pull it back ?
    Love this idea.

    Also, maybe a commune spell with the vestige?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyromancer999 View Post
    Or they could just have a permanently filled vestige slot if they do become a binder.
    Yes, that could work too, flavorwise I prefer my option, but for balance both work.

    I'd agree with that, although I'd suggest binder level to bind the vestige.
    Again balancewise it work but it force the creature to become a binder otherwise a number of his template ability become useless.

    Love this idea.

    Also, maybe a commune spell with the vestige?
    That's a good idea too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zagan View Post
    Again balancewise it work but it force the creature to become a binder otherwise a number of his template ability become useless.
    I was suggesting for an EBL equal to the creature's HD for the purposes of the bound vestige.
    That's a good idea too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyromancer999 View Post
    I was suggesting for an EBL equal to the creature's HD for the purposes of the bound vestige.
    It's already the case no ? Or I misread something (again) ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zagan View Post
    It's already the case no ? Or I misread something (again) ?
    It sounded like you were suggesting that the bound creature would have to enter binder, and I was saying not. Think I'm the one who misread, sorry.

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    I'd say you probably would have to do LA and maybe CR individually.

    The +2 to three ability scores is already +1 LA worthy, although in truth it's more of +0.7 LA (+4 to one ability score is probably as good if not better depending upon score), although you can go +2 Con, +4 Cha. Thankfully Charisma is (almost) only used by casters and a full caster hates LA.

    Halphax is definitely worth more LA due to the combination of DR 10/adamantine and Imprisonment (although as it can only take one creature out at a time that's made much weaker), probably +3 or +4 (by the books it is a +7 before acid-testing).

    Orthos, by the books, is a +5 + whatever displacement is worth (Savage Species doesn't say) and then acid-testing would have to be involved. Personally I'd say blindsight and displacement at least jack this up to +3.

    Now to look at lower level ones there's Naberius, who'd normally even without the ability modifiers be a +1 LA how they assign LA. That's definitely not fair when compared to a 1 level dip in binder without LA buy-off. At the same time the +4 Con and +2 Cha is actually rather sweet for the characters most likely to dip into Naberius and with LA buy-off it's simply paying something less than 3000 XP for +4 Con, +2 Cha, and several good abilities.

    If you really want to do the simple thing (i.e. have a set and sweeping this level has LA +X) then I'd advice putting a hit die minimum on each vestige (hit dice must equal the minimum binder level to bind it), or else just watch for abuse-able combinations (such as warlock + Naberius). Even then it depends upon if you're using LA buy-off.
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    Wow, that is quite a pick up in responses, time to get crackin'

    Quote Originally Posted by zagan View Post
    Finnally found some time to comment. i really like the concept of a creature claimed from birth by a vestige and execution is well done. A few suggestion to avoid powergaming.

    1: You could make so that the creature can never bind any other Vestige. That way going into binder and using LA buyoff to gain a bonus Vestige + boost to ability score + a feat for nearly nothing is avoid. Plus flavorwise it represent the fact that their soul is claimed by their master vestige.
    2: You could say that if a vestige ability mimic a spell or power you can't use it until your Hit dice equal the minimum caster level of the spell/power. That way you can't use Halphas imprisonement at third level.
    3: If you want to add other limit, maybe make it harder for them to be ressurect either with additional material component or a limit time. It could represent the fact that upon dieing the creature join it's master and it's harder to pull it back ?

    Just a few idea, hope that help.

    Edit: 4: Some vestiges may change or add a favored class to the creature, ranger for Leraje for example. Could be flavorful.
    Thanks, I'm glad you like it!

    1. This is a pretty good idea. The issue is, of course, that it would feel a little strange for such a Binder-riffic template to be unavailable to binders. And LA buyoff is a concern, but once you're actually in a game, unless you're starting out at a high levels, that buyoff will have a noticeable effect on the game.
    2. The basis of the idea is pretty good, though there is a big problem as is. If, using your example, I did this with Halphax, then anyone who took it wouldn't get the Secure Shelter ability until 9th ECL, the Wall of Iron ability until 13th, and the Imprisonment until 18th! And then he would really be worth it for any low-level character.
    3. I really like this idea. It won't come up terribly often, but it is so flavorful, and adds a small drawback, which the template could use.
    4. Also a good small flavor idea!


    Quote Originally Posted by Pyromancer999 View Post
    Or they could just have a permanently filled vestige slot if they do become a binder.

    I'd agree with that, although I'd suggest binder level to bind the vestige.

    Love this idea.

    Also, maybe a commune spell with the vestige?
    I like this idea a little better. It is more like the Tenebrous Apostate. You're allowed to bind other vestiges, you can just never get rid of your chosen one.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by the second comment here. That the vestige could only choose them if they already had the requisite binder level or hit dice? On an inherited template?

    Digging the commune spell idea. Goes hand in hand with the skill check bonus.

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    I'd say you probably would have to do LA and maybe CR individually.

    The +2 to three ability scores is already +1 LA worthy, although in truth it's more of +0.7 LA (+4 to one ability score is probably as good if not better depending upon score), although you can go +2 Con, +4 Cha. Thankfully Charisma is (almost) only used by casters and a full caster hates LA.

    Halphax is definitely worth more LA due to the combination of DR 10/adamantine and Imprisonment (although as it can only take one creature out at a time that's made much weaker), probably +3 or +4 (by the books it is a +7 before acid-testing).

    Orthos, by the books, is a +5 + whatever displacement is worth (Savage Species doesn't say) and then acid-testing would have to be involved. Personally I'd say blindsight and displacement at least jack this up to +3.

    Now to look at lower level ones there's Naberius, who'd normally even without the ability modifiers be a +1 LA how they assign LA. That's definitely not fair when compared to a 1 level dip in binder without LA buy-off. At the same time the +4 Con and +2 Cha is actually rather sweet for the characters most likely to dip into Naberius and with LA buy-off it's simply paying something less than 3000 XP for +4 Con, +2 Cha, and several good abilities.

    If you really want to do the simple thing (i.e. have a set and sweeping this level has LA +X) then I'd advice putting a hit die minimum on each vestige (hit dice must equal the minimum binder level to bind it), or else just watch for abuse-able combinations (such as warlock + Naberius). Even then it depends upon if you're using LA buy-off.
    That though occurred to me, but honestly I didn't feel like I had the experience to make the LA and CR adjustments different and accurate. Which is why it was mentioned for help!

    I'm...not sure where you're getting your info that three +2s are nearly enough to count for a +1 LA. Catfolk offer +4 Dex and +2 Cha and a couple other things for +1 LA, and they're barely considered for the most part, except for very specific builds. And even then I've never seen them be the optimum choice. Official sources in general have no idea how to do LA or CR.

    And while casters certainly hate LA more than other classes, don't forget that other classes lose HD, Skills, BAB, Saves, class abilities, level-based feats, and stat boots too! its is quite a trade off.

    DR 8/adamantine can be gotten with a +1 LA in Mineral Warrior, along with several other benefits. And don't forget that all their saves are tied to their hit dice and Cha, not the spell level. I can't imagine any character who would think Halphax's abilities as they are would be worth three class levels, except for purely flavor reasons.

    Acid-testing?

    I agree that Orthos, by virtue of that amazing 50% displacement, should probably be boosted to +3, since that is amazingly good. But at +5 I could just take 5 levels of Wizard and memorize Displacement. 5 HD of Wizard would be way better.

    Naberius is a special case for optimizers and warlocks. I could see granting him a +2 LA just for that.

    I don't have any particular desire to do a sweeping LA, so no issue there. That said it is hard to put a minimum HD requirement on an inherited template. This sucker is not an acquired template that you can pick up at any point in your career. You're born with it, or you don't get it.

    I personally feel like it is the DM's job to watch for abuse-able combos, not the template's (though the players should be upfront too!). The template should be fun, functional, balanced, and above all worth taking as it stands, and not punish players who take Naberius for flavor and not to offset their constant Con sacrificing. And LA buyoff is a variant rule, not core, that that too is up to the DM.


    Thanks for the input guys! I'll be doing some updating some time today tomorrow!

    UPDATE - Alright, I updated and added some things. Claimed Soul, making it more difficult to resurrect a Chosen of the void. I added some favored class changes, and changed Naberius' and Orthos' LAs by +1. If you can bind multiple vestiges then one slot is always taken by your template vestige. And the DC to resist your vestige's influence increases if you make multiple saves in a short span of time.
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    So yeah, the template has been updated.
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    This vestige does not count against the total number of vestiges a chosen of the void can bind to themselves, unless the chosen of the void can bind multiple vestiges.
    I'm not sure I like how you go about that, it mean that a Chosen of the Void 1/Binder 1 can bind as many vestige as a Binder 8
    While a Chosen of the void 1/Binder 8 can bind as many vestige as a Binder 9.
    More worriedly a Chosen of the Void 1/Binder 1/(anything else) 7 as the Binder 9 one with EBL 8 (HD) one with EBL 1 granted but a fair number of vestige grant ability not dependant on binder level.

    Why this specific wording instead of just having the vestige count against the total number no matter the creature binder level ? I'm very curious about your reasoning.
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    Because if it just takes up a slot, period, you're looking at a Binder 1-7 that is losing nearly all of its class features. It is locked into a single vestige for seven levels, plus having the drain of LA. They effectively lose Soul binding, and Pact augmentation. Which makes Binder a worse choice than straight fighterfor any lower level game (level 2-8).

    If you have a solution to this I'm more than willing to hear it.
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    Because if it just takes up a slot, period, you're looking at a Binder 1-7 that is losing nearly all of its class features. It is locked into a single vestige for seven levels, plus having the drain of LA. They effectively lose Soul binding, and Pact augmentation. Which makes Binder a worse choice than straight fighterfor any lower level game (level 2-8).

    If you have a solution to this I'm more than willing to hear it.
    Well I don't see why they would need to lose pact augmentation, you may need to stat they can reselect pact augmentation ability once per day while bound to their master but that's all. And if you want to increase the appeal of binder level for those with the template maybe give them a +1 bonus to effective binder level to represent the fact that they studied the formal method of binding, it compensate for the LA.

    That give use if we compare a Chosen of the Void 1/Binder 1 and a Binder 2 bith human with the same stat, elit array.
    {table=head]Class|Str|Dex|Con|Int|Wis|Cha|HP|BaB|Fort|Ref|Will |Skill point|Abilities|Feat

    Binder 2|12|13|14|10|8|15|10(2d8+2)|+1|+4|+1|+2|15|Soul binding (1 vestiges, level 1 or 2, EBL 2), pact augmentation (+1 AC), Suppress sign|Improved binding and one other

    Chosen 1/Binder 1|12|13|16|10|8|17|6(1d8+2)|+0|+4|+1|+1|12|Soul binding (1 vestige, up to 4th level, EBL 3)|Favored vestige and 2 other

    [/table]

    And that without taking into account the additional bonus to an ability score because it vary depending on the vestige.

    Its your template and as written its not bad at all but the for the ability to have a 4th level vestige ability at early level the trade off seem more than fair.
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    Well I don't see why they would need to lose pact augmentation, you may need to stat they can reselect pact augmentation ability once per day while bound to their master but that's all. And if you want to increase the appeal of binder level for those with the template maybe give them a +1 bonus to effective binder level to represent the fact that they studied the formal method of binding, it compensate for the LA.

    That give use if we compare a Chosen of the Void 1/Binder 1 and a Binder 2 bith human with the same stat, elit array.
    {table=head]Class|Str|Dex|Con|Int|Wis|Cha|HP|BaB|Fort|Ref|Will |Skill point|Abilities|Feat

    Binder 2|12|13|14|10|8|15|10(2d8+2)|+1|+4|+1|+2|15|Soul binding (1 vestiges, level 1 or 2, EBL 2), pact augmentation (+1 AC), Suppress sign|Improved binding and one other

    Chosen 1/Binder 1|12|13|16|10|8|17|6(1d8+2)|+0|+4|+1|+1|12|Soul binding (1 vestige, up to 4th level, EBL 3)|Favored vestige and 2 other

    [/table]

    And that without taking into account the additional bonus to an ability score because it vary depending on the vestige.

    Its your template and as written its not bad at all but the for the ability to have a 4th level vestige ability at early level the trade off seem more than fair.
    Its a good idea, but even better it got me thinking. What do you think of the change?

    If the chosen of the void binds another vestige to itself it loses all the granted abilities of vestige gained from this template and has a -2 penalty to its effective binder level for as long as the other vestige is bound. The chosen of the void is still under the influence of the vestige, and retains all the other effects of this template. If the binder can bind more than one vestige it the vestige granted by this template takes up one of those slots permanently, and the chosen of the void no longer loses the granted abilities or suffers a -2 penalty if it binds another vestige.



    Seeing as how there are 24 of The Demented One's Cthullu vestiges, it'll take a little bit, I promise I'll get them.
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    Its a good idea, but even better it got me thinking. What do you think of the change?

    If the chosen of the void binds another vestige to itself it loses all the granted abilities of vestige gained from this template and has a -2 penalty to its effective binder level for as long as the other vestige is bound. The chosen of the void is still under the influence of the vestige, and retains all the other effects of this template. If the binder can bind more than one vestige it the vestige granted by this template takes up one of those slots permanently, and the chosen of the void no longer loses the granted abilities or suffers a -2 penalty if it binds another vestige.
    Perfect ! And flavorwise it fit !

    Seeing as how there are 24 of The Demented One's Cthullu vestiges, it'll take a little bit, I promise I'll get them.
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