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    Oh, I don't know. Lyrical content aside, she could have a lovely singing voice.

    Also, if Serrin and Matt did get married and have kids, would they be Quarter-elves?
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    Actually, they would be human with slight elven characteristics. If Matt was an elf and they were married, the children would be elves with slight human characteristics.
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    Those are real world genetics, perhaps in Aquear it is diffrent.
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    Putting aside your wanton catgirl slaughtering, , I believe in canonical d&d, half-elf isn't literal. A half-elf, quarter-elf, or eighth-elf, and etcetera to an unspecified amount of elfiness, all use the same rules.

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    Genetics... Don't... work... that... way....

    "Species" (used in the broadest of terms since procreation is possible so elves and humans are the same species) are not defined by a single allele variation. Each and every single characteristic has a half-chance to be either. From the ears, to sleep dependency, to constitution, each has a half chance to come from one or the other. This doesn't even count Dominant, Recessive and Partially Dominant genes that would allow for traits that are present in neither to occur, or the forced mutation that occurs in Meiosis.
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    That is completely true, but half elves are as generic as any race (Assuming any stat plusses or minuses are mutations). However, by real genetics, such a race would be widely varied. D&D uses simplified crossings, thus my idea was simplified. Goodness, if real genetics would be applied to half-elves, each one would be enormously different....
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    That is completely true, but half elves are as generic as any race (Assuming any stat plusses or minuses are mutations). However, by real genetics, such a race would be widely varied. D&D uses simplified crossings, thus my idea was simplified. Goodness, if real genetics would be applied to half-elves, each one would be enormously different....
    How so? Phenotypicly anyway Elves aren't much more then tall thin humans with an extended life span and pointed ears...

    ...Really Elves are just white basketball players who happen to be members of greenpeace.
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    Okay, Gicko, Elves are on average a foot shorter than human's.

    And for the other things, there is an actual rule in DnD about this. Children concieved by a half-elf and either one of the other species will result in the full blooded species. Meaning that in the game, the child would have all the same stats as the Human/Elf that is married with the Half-Elf. However, the child will have some characteristics of the other species as well. A human child may have slight tips at the ears as well as a slight elven apperance while the Elf child may have slightly rounded at the top ears and be slighlty taller than normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakonzeta View Post
    Genetics... Don't... work... that... way....

    In scenario I, any offspring would have 1/2 of a chance to be human, and 1/2 of a chance to be half-elves. In scenario II, offspring would have 1/2 chance to be elven, and 1/2 of a chance to be half-elven.

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    That's assuming 'half-elf' is a different species and genetics don't work THAT way in the real world either.
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    SCIENCE!!!
    It's actually even worse. Some traits may be expressed only if they come from the mother, and some traits may be expressed only if the came from the father. This is due to something called genomic imprinting which can 'tag' genes so they're not expressed. Different genes are tagged in mothers and fathers.

    This is why mules and hinnys are different.

    And catgirls are only killed if real-world physics is debated. Given Coffee's aversion to physics, this should probably be avoided.
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    I think 1/4 elves and 3/4 elves are considered half-elves, in the Eberron campaign setting book, they got a half-elf born to an elf and a half-elf as a sample NPC.

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    That's what I said but nobody listened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lix Lorn View Post
    That's what I said but nobody listened.
    Personally I like to go with half eles being incredibly varied and unpredictable and any mix of elves and humans being "hybrids" and it being an individual's opinion as to whether they're half elves or humans with elven relatives or whatever - like human nationality, basically. My understanding of d&d rules is that you can pretty much take 'em or leave 'em depending on your group and campaign anyway. As for Aequar half elves and their offspring.... yeah, we basically just have to make up our minds for ourselves until Coffee mentions anything about it.

    Erm... not to be incredibly egocentric or anything, but did anybody notice the fancomic page I posted? It has a half elf in it...
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    I liked it, but I forget where in the plot it's from. DXD
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    However, I think 1/8 elves are human and 7/8 elves are elf.

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    It's an original scene so basically it didn't happen. The imaginary setting is pre-Kylie exposition though although at the same time possibly in a version of the Murphy's Law universe where Janine at least suspects Lloyd isn't straight? It's hypothetical off-panel/ free time time (maybe after the love potion debacle but before Saphrin's little friendly talk with the guys? in the end it's essentially irrevelent.) I wrote it and drew the base sketches very shortly after the following conversation:

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    Janine might actually be able to get with Lloyd?
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    I meant shapeshifter like changeling. But I like Kyuubi's answer.
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    It is possible for her to get with Lloyd assuming he is not strictly homosexual. Maybe if she changed a bit he would like her more.

    At least how I see it, Lloyd might be like Lucas and Cadugan in Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic. [..] Just my thoughts on that.

    Radic: Could go male to avoid the advances of Matt.
    Matt: Not really sure, Maybe use it to escape law enforcement. I mean he did start out this comic clearly as a thief type.
    Janine: Like Kyuubi said, she might go male (once Team Gale knows about Lloyd's sexual orientation) to attract his attention. But then there is what I said above that might mean she could get his attention as a female.
    Tinder: I don't really know too much about how he thinks.
    Lloyd: He could enter a more "traditional" relationship with Lexi but, as they are already together, they probably don't care too much about that.
    Serrin: God (or Coffee) knows what goes on in her head to even guess how that might affect (or is it effect) how she acts.
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    She could get one of them false beards.
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    Someone arty draw this. Other than Coffee, she's busy. xD
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    I meant emotionally/mentally, though now that you mention it that sounds great.
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    I think Kyuubi was thinking that Janine could turn male, rather than turn into Lexi or someone.
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    Exactly. Maybe she'd turn into the guy from the old spice commercial?

    Anybody in the mood to make a spoof of that?
    Then life intervened until about yesterday and I couldn't do much about it. (An old spice commercial spoof would have been funny but I think I'm too lazy to do one for y'all).
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    Oooh, okay. (nodnod)
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    The first one looked like it was going in a lesbian direction. Very promising.
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    Er... who's Kylie?

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    Er... who's Kylie?
    V's mate...

    ...wait, that's Kyrie... was Kylie Serrin's mom?
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    Er... who's Kylie?
    She's the Drow merchant who recognized Lloyd as the man who killed her brother and led the attack on her village.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    V's mate...

    ...wait, that's Kyrie... was Kylie Serrin's mom?
    Serrin's mom is Saphrin.

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    She's the Drow merchant who recognized Lloyd as the man who killed her brother and led the attack on her village.
    Oh, right. I'm usually better with names than this.

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    Haha, I think I'm gonna enjoy this, Eleanor.

    As for the genetics...I guess you should think of mixed-breed dogs. Except that in this case, most of the genes are codominant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    The first one looked like it was going in a lesbian direction. Very promising.
    [looks back at comic and sees perfectly platonic conversation between two women]
    Huh.
    [looks back at name of poster who claimed comic looked like it was going in a lesbian direction]
    Ah.
    Spot of wishful thinking there methinks, Asta.

    Quote Originally Posted by RdMarquis View Post
    She's the Drow merchant who recognized Lloyd as the man who killed her brother and led the attack on her village.
    Thanks for this; I was going to link back to the comic that gave her name and then couldn't find it so it's probably an easier detail to forget than I first thought!

    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Haha, I think I'm gonna enjoy this, Eleanor.

    As for the genetics...I guess you should think of mixed-breed dogs. Except that in this case, most of the genes are codominant.
    Mixed-breed dogs was actually what I base my thoughts on what half-elves should be like -take the labradoodle for a popular example; supposedly you breed a lab and a poodle and you get a desperately willing to please, obedient and loyal dog (labrador characteristics, although our first lab was only willing to please herself, so this varies even within labs) which is very bright and has fur that does not cast and thus should be more suited to owners with mild allergies (poodle characteristics) but sometimes you just get a dumb stubborn dog who sheds like mad (the 'bad' characteristics of both - labs can be pretty smart but poodles are meant to be smarter and I can vouch for labs being heavy shedders from personal experience). I adore dogs of all shapes and sizes so if I can relate something back to dogs, or more specifically my own dogs or ones I walk for other people, I often will.

    And I'm working on page three now so if I don't get too distracted I'll probably be posting it later tonight. In retrospect the pages would probably work best if I'd just waited and posted them all as links in one post, but I've started so I'll finish...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleanor_Rigby View Post
    [looks back at comic and sees perfectly platonic conversation between two women]
    Huh.
    [looks back at name of poster who claimed comic looked like it was going in a lesbian direction]
    Ah.
    Spot of wishful thinking there methinks, Asta.
    You... honestly don't see how panel 2 and 3 could be misinterpreted? Perhaps I spend too much time in the Explicit section over at the SGU forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    You... honestly don't see how panel 2 and 3 could be misinterpreted? Perhaps I spend too much time in the Explicit section over at the SGU forums.
    Hahaha. No, I did think when I finished that page that it gave off a kind of weird slash-fic vibe but I was hoping that was just me because I honestly didn't write it with that in mind Should have known you'd have pointed it out if you were going to comment on it. Thanks for taking the time to read it anyhoo!

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    I wasn't kidding when I said this thing wrote itself. The ideas just came to me a little faster than I was working - it was a bit of a CoffeeIncluded moment! (with admittedly weirder results)

    Also, points to anybody who gets the name reference. Special imaginary internet points. If Coffee's online when this goes up I hope she'll get it at least...

    Larger, clearer version is here

    ...And Asta? I wrote the plot and dialogue to all four pages of this a while ago, but I positioned Janine's left hand in panel 1 with you in mind. (Still entirely U/PG content guys, no worries)
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    That mustache is amazing. O__O
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    Well, sometimes people like Janine only get that you mean "No!" if you stomp on them and their feelings much like he just did. That being said, it still makes you feel bad for having to hurt their feelings.

    So: aaaawwwww, poor Janine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycan 01 View Post
    That mustache is amazing. O__O
    Why, thank you!

    I'm fairly sure you'd need a not insignificant amount of product to support such a glorious 'tache without the aid of magic but hey ho... the glory of fantasy settings and cartoony styles...
    (A tiny curlicue of the moustache is visible in page two if you look hard enough but I can't really see how it could have been the size it is now and not have been a little more visible from the back. I claim artistic lisence... unless it was still growing in page 2...?)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marnath View Post
    Well, sometimes people like Janine only get that you mean "No!" if you stomp on them and their feelings much like he just did. That being said, it still makes you feel bad for having to hurt their feelings.

    So: aaaawwwww, poor Janine!
    Part of me thinks that this is indeed what she needs, although Lloyd's practically already done it in the real comic so... I dunno. I guess we've not really seen her come on to him strongly since the scene with Matt and the cookies though, have we? Can't remember.
    It still comes across as rather harsh, particularly as in this scenario she wasn't even doing anything (apart from introducing him in terms that made it clear that she still "liked" him)... Ouch.
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    Never mind...apparently, Discworld has its own Hedgehog Song...I thought she was referring to a much different Hedgehog Song.
    You mean, she isn't going to sing the Discworld hedgehog song?

    And I was looking forward to finally find out what the lyrics are...

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    You mean, she isn't going to sing the Discworld hedgehog song?

    And I was looking forward to finally find out what the lyrics are...
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    You mean, she isn't going to sing the Discworld hedgehog song?

    And I was looking forward to finally find out what the lyrics are...
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    A very interesting link but I prefer to think of it as A Hedgehog Song (An Hedgehog Song? surely not? I'm not French!).

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad, UK paperback edition, dedication
    to all those people - and why not? - who, after the publication of Wyrd Sisters, deluged the author with their version of the words of 'The Hedgehog Song'. Deary deary me...
    It's like Lewis Carroll's "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" the intended answer is basically whatever's the most amusing or logical conclusion for you personally as a reader. I'd be pretty disappointed with an "official definitive version" of The Hedgehog Song's lyric or the answer to the Mad Hatter's riddle, but seeing various people's thoughts on both is fun. (I'm a Pratchett lightweight so my knowledge of references to the song are limited. I've read... the first six or so Discworld novels and all his children's books? It's quite a vast series and I tend to need to concentrate more than usual to enjoy them). I think my favourite answer to the riddle is probably "Edgar Allan Poe wrote on both" but there's not an answer as far as I'm concerned and there's the fun of it.

    But for those people (like my sister) who just feel that they have to know these things and get really frustrated when they can't, that link is a pretty dang good place to go - you can really see they put a lot of thought into it.
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