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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    Sooo, anyway. I wonder if there's a kind of denominator for people who don't fit either gender?
    An individual human who has chosen not to buy into the obsolete cultural construct of sex-bound expectations called "gender".
    [Insert Name Here], for short.


    Man, I'm getting repetitive...

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    So!
    A link to TVT ended up with me finding something that makes me really happy. ^^
    Any other Ts will probably appreciate it.
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    An individual human who has chosen not to buy into the obsolete cultural construct of sex-bound expectations called "gender".
    [Insert Name Here], for short.


    Man, I'm getting repetitive...
    I thought gender was an obsolete biological contruct that's supposed to make sure we have more organic lawn-mowers and walking devices?

    Just curious.

    Then again, if my avatar is accurate then I descent from spilled dragon blood so my knowledge of biology and human culture may be limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    Ionno. Pretty anticlimactic revelation for me, anyway
    Ok. I'm an 8 foot tall reptilian from the constellation Draco, here to ensure to continuing enslavement of humanity.

    Climactic enough?
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    Ok. I'm an 8 foot tall reptilian from the constellation Draco, here to ensure to continuing enslavement of humanity.

    Climactic enough?
    Nah. We've already had revelations of alien life in this thread. First contact's been made, we're passe now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    An individual human who has chosen not to buy into the obsolete cultural construct of sex-bound expectations called "gender".
    [Insert Name Here], for short.
    What about individuals who do not buy into the obsolete concept of gender, but who nonetheless identify with the gender that corresponds to their biological sex ?

    ... actually, the more I think about it, the more it feels like ungood doublethink. Yeah. Still trying to find a good way to address the question of gender as an indifferently cissexual person.

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    Ok. I'm an 8 foot tall reptilian from the constellation Draco, here to ensure to continuing enslavement of humanity.

    Climactic enough?
    That's not climatic, it's... scandalous ! Atrocious ! Unacceptable ! Egregious !

    How can an alien from Alpha (or Beta, or whatever) Draconis be a reptilian ? This goes against every law in phylogenetics !

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    I thought gender was an obsolete biological contruct that's supposed to make sure we have more organic lawn-mowers and walking devices?
    It's not just that. Consumeristic forces support the notion of gender, and are keeping it alive in order to still be able to sell all their gender-segregated junk. With the help of mind-affecting electomagnetic waves. Always keep your tinfoil hat on, playgrounders !
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    Nah. We've already had revelations of alien life in this thread. First contact's been made, we're passe now.
    I wonder if alien life has so much drama in their sexuality/gender issues?
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    Depends on how they reproduce, I s'pose. How many sexes, how much sexual dimorphism, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unosarta View Post
    I wonder if alien life has so much drama in their sexuality/gender issues?
    Yes.

    I checked. ^.^

    Somehow every species past the feudal age has this much drama in sexuality/gender issues, social life and fixing toasters. O.O

    Even the species that has no genders, no toasters and share a hivemind somehow have drama in all of those.
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    At first, it was the smiley faces and the mannerisms. Then, it was the infernal magpie. It struck a chord. A cutely fiendish, macabre chord.

    An then I saw Keveak in the sorting hat and you are just the cutest thing when you want to be. My gosh look at that. It's squee-inducing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    Even the species that has no genders, no toasters and share a hivemind somehow have drama in all of those.
    Maybe they have meta-drama, like they have a bunch of drama about not having drama about those subjects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    Sooo, anyway. I wonder if there's a kind of denominator for people who don't fit either gender?
    If you really want a fitting denominator, I think we'd need to know how they don't fit either gender. I can perceive a continuum where on one end, there are people who are too masculine and too feminine to be considered just one (androgynous), and on the other there are those who are too lacking in both kind of qualities to qualify as either (neutral).

    Or you can just go with Serp's advice.
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    An individual human who has chosen not to buy into the obsolete cultural construct of sex-bound expectations called "gender".
    [Insert Name Here], for short.
    However, the linguistic customs of the English language make constantly referring to someone by their name and eschewing pronouns sound awkward and contrived. Japanese can manage it, English not so much.
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    However, the linguistic customs of the English language make constantly referring to someone by their name and eschewing pronouns sound awkward and contrived. Japanese can manage it, English not so much.
    Japanese formality almost insists that one use the other person's name. Which makes it very gender friendly. Yay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    However, the linguistic customs of the English language make constantly referring to someone by their name and eschewing pronouns sound awkward and contrived. Japanese can manage it, English not so much.
    Couldn't you just use Them? I'm pretty sure English used to require that when being formal.

    And I still don't get why it's only cultural. I'm confuzzled. @.@
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    At first, it was the smiley faces and the mannerisms. Then, it was the infernal magpie. It struck a chord. A cutely fiendish, macabre chord.

    An then I saw Keveak in the sorting hat and you are just the cutest thing when you want to be. My gosh look at that. It's squee-inducing.

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    Thank heavens for Finnish and its gender-neutral pronouns!

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    I find it funny that nearly the same thing is happening to Kyuubi herself now, with people surprised to learn that she wasn't out yet
    Yes, I find that humorous as well.

    Thanks for the link Lix!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murdim View Post
    What about individuals who do not buy into the obsolete concept of gender, but who nonetheless identify with the gender that corresponds to their biological sex ?

    ... actually, the more I think about it, the more it feels like ungood doublethink. Yeah. Still trying to find a good way to address the question of gender as an indifferently cissexual person.
    Possibly the need for it to be already obsolete when a good chunk of the Human populace still live under it and believe it. Kinda failing to see how it's obsolete so much as not applying properly to given individuals.

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    Possibly the need for it to be already obsolete when a good chunk of the Human populace still live under it and believe it. Kinda failing to see how it's obsolete so much as not applying properly to given individuals.
    ... perhaps obsolete isn't the right word. Still, the social notion of gender seems pretty superfluous to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murdim View Post
    ... perhaps obsolete isn't the right word. Still, the social notion of gender seems pretty superfluous to me.
    If you have an Y chromosone you're a boy and if not the you're a girl, simple.

    It may not have anything to do with mental gender but it is still a clear distinction of gender outside of social notions.

    Or at least that's what I have been taught.

    Care to explain what I have missed?
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    At first, it was the smiley faces and the mannerisms. Then, it was the infernal magpie. It struck a chord. A cutely fiendish, macabre chord.

    An then I saw Keveak in the sorting hat and you are just the cutest thing when you want to be. My gosh look at that. It's squee-inducing.

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    ... perhaps obsolete isn't the right word. Still, the social notion of gender seems pretty superfluous to me.
    Well, yeah, but that's getting into theory of mind territory, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    If you have an Y chromosone you're a boy and if not the you're a girl, simple.

    It may not have anything to do with mental gender but it is still a clear distinction of gender outside of social notions.

    Or at least that's what I have been taught.

    Care to explain what I have missed?
    Tell that to intersex people.
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    NOTHING is simple. NO EXCEPTIONS. No, not even that.
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    Uh.
    Sure. It's just two tropes applied to a slightly cynical and way too true sentence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    Couldn't you just use Them? I'm pretty sure English used to require that when being formal.

    And I still don't get why it's only cultural. I'm confuzzled. @.@
    Them is nowadays usually used as a plural, and whilst the singular usage is technically also correct, it sounds awkward in most cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    If you have an Y chromosone you're a boy and if not the you're a girl, simple.

    It may not have anything to do with mental gender but it is still a clear distinction of gender outside of social notions.

    Or at least that's what I have been taught.

    Care to explain what I have missed?
    That's sex, not gender. They're two different things. Sex refers to what's between your legs, gender to what's between your ears.
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    ^: Singular "They" is far more elegant anyway.
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    Well, death is still pretty final...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    Well, death is still pretty final...
    The conflicted feelings one feels about death, especially that of a loved one who has willed one money. You are sad they are dead, but that money will really help you. Do you feel happy? But isn't that being ungrateful to the dead person? Should you make yourself feel bad about it just to honor their memory? Is that really healthy?

    If they are someone you dislike, you might be glad because they were a jerk, but I mean everyone's a person, right? Shouldn't you be sad if they are dead? But if they were really a jerk...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    That's sex, not gender. They're two different things. Sex refers to what's between your legs, gender to what's between your ears.
    My life would be so much easier if people could grasp this.

    Also, that's a very concise way to say it. I shall steal your wording, if it's alright with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unosarta View Post
    If they are someone you dislike, you might be glad because they were a jerk, but I mean everyone's a person, right? Shouldn't you be sad if they are dead? But if they were really a jerk...
    This really depends on the person. There are plenty of people who the world would probably be better off without, but it's kind of hard to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    That's sex, not gender. They're two different things. Sex refers to what's between your legs, gender to what's between your ears.
    This I need to correct. Sex and gender are the exact same thing, even the dictionary says so.

    Gender can mean something different than sex, as this quote from The Wiki shows, "Depending on the context, the discriminating characteristics vary from sex to social role to gender identity", but, as even mentioned in that quote, can mean the exact same thing as sex. Using gender to mean social role and gender identity is a very recent introduction and the old meaning still applies in common use and dictionary definitions.

    You can use gender to mean your gender identity (i.e. "I identify as male, even though I am biologically female"), but if someone else uses gender to mean the exact same thing as sex, then you cannot say that they are incorrect.

    So, in short, I am by no means saying that you cannot use gender to mean something different to sex (though I would suggest using "gender identity" and "physical/biological gender" anywhere that there might be confusion), but I am saying that people who use sex and gender interchangeably or to mean the same thing are not incorrect.

    So, in even shorter, what you are saying is not "gender and sex are different things", but rather, "in the way I use gender, gender and sex are different things" or "in the context of this work/discussion, gender and sex are different things".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubi View Post
    This really depends on the person. There are plenty of people who the world would probably be better off without, but it's kind of hard to know.
    But that doesn't make them any less of people. Everyone is a person, so does any one of us have the right to say whether the world would be better off without them? It might be in the short term to you, but everyone has a connection to someone, and just as your life may feel better because of that death, another person's life may be broken and destroyed, dreams that were built up demolished because of the death.

    Death is one of the least simple topics that a person can deal with.
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