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    There have been stories of men who can fight without fear, face an entire army alone and emerge with naught but a single scratch, any damage taken by these men seems to just make them stronger, any wound given just seems to seal itself up. These men are Trollbloods, Men who have changed their lives forever through an irreversible process. These men are notoriously hard to kill, but those who are unprepared or do not know what they are, may quickly regret their success in doing so.

    Trollblood

    Requirements: Rage ability twice a day, Diehard feat, Endurance feat, Base attack bonus of at least +5, 5 ranks in craft (Alchemy), At least one vial of Troll's blood.

    special Before taking any levels in Trollblood, one must Drink a potion made of diluted Troll's blood. This potion requires a DC 20 Alchemy check to create. Should the DC fail; there is a 10% chance of a Troll growing out of the vial of blood instantly. There is also a 50% chance that any failed attempts at creating the potion will render the vial of blood useless, requiring the character to obtain a new one. Notice: This potion may be created by non-spellcasters

    Class skills
    The Trollblood's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Escape Artist( Dex), Heal (Wis), Intimidate(Cha), Knowledge (Nature) (Int), Ride (Dex), and Survival (Wis).

    Proficiencies
    A Trollblood is proficient in all Simple and Martial weapons (As well as any exotic weapons with Troll in it's name), all light, medium, or heavy armours, and all shields ( except for tower shields).

    Skill points at each level
    4 + Int modifier.

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    d12.

    Trollblood
    {table=head]Level|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Special

    1st|
    +1
    |
    +2
    |
    +0
    |
    +0
    |Burst curse, Troll Regeneration 3

    2nd|
    +2
    |
    +3
    |
    +0
    |
    +0
    |Damage reduction 1/-,

    3rd|
    +3
    |
    +3
    |
    +1
    |
    +1
    |Recovering Rage, Troll Regeneration 6

    4th|
    +4
    |
    +4
    |
    +1
    |
    +1
    |Damage reduction 2/-,

    5th|
    +5
    |
    +4
    |
    +1
    |
    +1
    |Second Chance, Troll Regeneration 9

    6th|
    +6
    |
    +5
    |
    +2
    |
    +2
    |Damage reduction 3/-

    7th|
    +7
    |
    +5
    |
    +2
    |
    +2
    |Troll Regeneration 12

    8th|
    +8
    |
    +6
    |
    +2
    |
    +2
    |Damage reduction 4/-, base or moisture

    9th|
    +9
    |
    +6
    |
    +3
    |
    +3
    |Troll Regeneration 15

    10th|
    +10
    |
    +7
    |
    +3
    |
    +3
    |Troll Regeneration 20, Damage reduction 5/-, Inner Troll[/table]


    Burst curse (Ex):( The potion which gave the Trollblood it's awesome powers, also bears with it a terrible curse. Should a Trollblood ever die, 1d4 Trolls will burst out of its corpse and begin attacking any non-Trolls they see. However the Trolls will not emerge from the corpse for 1d4 rounds. Casting a spell to preserve the corpse will prevent the Trolls from emerging, as well as resetting the die roll until the duration of the spell ends. Burning or completely submerging the Trollblood's corpse in acid will ensure no trolls emerge.

    Troll Fast Healing (Ex): The Trollblood recovers an amount of hit points each round equal to the number indicated + Con modifier. this amount increases by three every odd numbered level, and spikes up by five for the tenth level. Trollbloods may also regrow lost limbs or other body parts in 1d4 days, decreasing to 2d12hours at 5th level. Damage done by acid or fire damage may not be recovered using regeneration.

    Damage reduction(Ex): Starting at 2nd level the Trollblood gains damage reduction, decrease any damage caused by a weapon or natural attack by the indicated number, a Trollblood's damage reduction may not exceed 5.

    Recovering rage(Ex): starting at level three, a Trollblood may gain stacking temporary hitpoints any time they deal damage while in a rage, bonus damage (such as Str or magical damage bonuses) do not apply to this. Total number of temporary hit points is equal to one half the damage delt to a single opponent. when hitting an enemy with a conformed critical strike, the Trollblood gains temporary hitpoints equal to their Con modifier x2. These temporary hit points may stack with the temporary hit points gained through non-critical strikes, however the total number of temporary hit points on a Trollblood may not exceed their Trollblood level +Con modifier.Notice: This ability only works while the Trollblood is raging, temporary hitpoints gained remain even after rage ends, and last until used up or the Trollblood rests, whichever comes first.

    Second chance(Ex): Starting at 5th level, there is a 25% chance of a Trollblood's mind being reborn into one of the Trolls bursting out of the Trollblood's corpse upon death. Should this occur, the Trollblood player must play, and survive as a troll NPC for a single day, and use the Tolls NPC ability scores accordingly. Should the player survive the full day as a troll, they may generate a new character (Including ability scores) using the template here(All level adjustments and Racial hit die must be accounted for, and any class(es) other then Trollblood may be chosen. Some adjustments may be needed depending on the edition).

    Base or moisture(Ex): At level eight, a Trollblood may choose to remove one of the two counters to it's fast healing. This choice may only be made once, and may not be reversed.

    Inner Troll(Ex): At tenth level, the Trollblood has become so powerful thanks to the Troll's blood running through him that he gains +4 to his Str and Con, darkvision 60ft, and two 1d6+str natural claw weapons.



    Mostly I wanted to create a Constitution-centred class that can fight multiple enemies at once for an extended period of time and still survive. I was hoping to wait until after I finished reworking the dual-natured race me and Lix-lorn made a few months ago, but this thing has just been building up inside me and i had to do it. Sorry Lix!


    What do you guys think? Persionally i think i should do something more with the rage bit. cant think of anything though.
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    I think it's quite a nice idea, the ability to be a troll, but as a non-spellcaster craft (alchemy) won't do anything, so those would all be wasted ranks.

    A few other minor things like the BAB and the saves are a little bit odd, you might want to consider just making it full BAB with a fighter fort save and other saves bad. The skills should also probably be made either 2+int or 4+int, as generally it is an even number.

    I'm not sure damage reduction applies to energy damage anyway, though you could make this special I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbledore lives View Post
    I think it's quite a nice idea, the ability to be a troll, but as a non-spellcaster craft (alchemy) won't do anything, so those would all be wasted ranks.
    i put those there so the player could attempt to create the potion himself without the aid of another. but i do see what you are getting at.

    A few other minor things like the BAB and the saves are a little bit odd, you might want to consider just making it full BAB with a fighter fort save and other saves bad. The skills should also probably be made either 2+int or 4+int, as generally it is an even number.
    Ahh ok. i just did what came to mind first with the BAB and saves. i'll change them if someone else thinks they should be fixed somehow.
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    You really should use standard BAB and save progressions. And skill points per level. And also your class doesn't have a hit die. And also the requirements are kind of problematic since Craft (alchemy) is only technically available to spellcasters; the potion should probably be brewable with the Heal check.
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    Ahh thanks for the bit about the hit dice, compleatly didint notice that.

    Anyways i lowered the skill points to 4+Int, removed the alchemy prereq, made 10 ranks in heal nessisary, fixed up the BAB and saves, and added the option to use a heal check to produce the potion instead of an alchemy check at the cost of a higher DC.
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    You still need to standardize saves.

    What is your intended entry for this class? As it is, you'll need to multiclass to meet the requirements.

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    What exactly is wrong with the saves? they dont compleatly skip a number like they did before, and almost every class has two or more levels with identicle saves.


    Entry class is supposed to be barbarian, dont see how that would require multiclassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gicko View Post
    What exactly is wrong with the saves? they dont compleatly skip a number like they did before, and almost every class has two or more levels with identicle saves.
    Classes have standardized progressions for "strong save" and "weak save". Look at any save progression on any published class or prestige class and it'll be one of two progressions. Use those.


    Entry class is supposed to be barbarian, dont see how that would require multiclassing.
    Barbarian doesn't have Heal as a class skill, so you won't be able to enter until level 17 without multiclassing. Cross-class skills have half the maximum ranks that class skills do.

    A barbarian/ranger can enter it in reasonable time, but that's the only legal entry I can think of that doesn't lose BAB or require some shenanigans to get Heal on your skill list.

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    It says ranks as a requirement, not total score. a barbarian putting ten ranks into heal will only give it five heal score (assumeing no other bonuses) But it still has ten ranks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gicko View Post
    It says ranks as a requirement, not total score. a barbarian putting ten ranks into heal will only give it five heal score (assumeing no other bonuses) But it still has ten ranks.
    From the SRD:

    "If you buy a class skill, your character gets 1 rank (equal to a +1 bonus on checks with that skill) for each skill point. If you buy other classesí skills (cross-class skills), you get 1/2 rank per skill point.

    Your maximum rank in a class skill is your character level + 3.

    Your maximum rank in a cross-class skill is one-half of this number (do not round up or down)."

    Your maximum rank in a cross-class skill is not 10 until level 17. ((17 + 3) / 2 = 10)

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    Raauuuughhh fixed
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    Raauuuughhh fixed
    Unfortunately, "must have spent at least 10 skill points on Heal" also makes it possible to qualify very early. There's a reason no existing PrCs use this qualification method.

    As a human with +1 Intelligence bonus, take your first level in Barbarian. Spend four skill points to get to two ranks, your current maximum.

    Take your second level as Ranger. Your maximum is now as if it were a class skill. Do not buy any ranks this level.

    Take your third level as a barbarian and spend all six of your skill points bringing the skill up to 5; you have the class-skill maximum but on this level spend points as a crossclass skill.

    Take your fourth level as a Trollblood.


    Is it counterintuitive? Yes, which is why this particular prerequisite is problematic. Also, you still need to standardize the saving throws.

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    Its never going to use Heal or Nature other than as entry requirements, so why not put them at like 2 ranks each and put in a BAB requirement? Its a combatant, so the BAB requirement is fairly standard fare. Even something like Warshaper has a BAB requirement. Or hell, specify Rage 2/day. That either requires Barbarian 4+ or yet another feat for Extra Rage.

    Also, if the hp recovery mechanic does not transform damage to nonlethal it should be noted as Fast Healing. Regeneration and Fast Healing work very very differently, and though fast healing usually isn't shut off like regeneration (in the case of acid and fire here), there is precedence with the Inevitables, which have fast healing except in regards to damage dealt by chaotic weapons. The amount of fast healing is also somewhat problematic. Up to 20 PLUS your con modifier is pretty damned massive for anyone, and only gets better in Rage.

    The damage reduction is worded poorly. Damage Reduction is bypassed by all energy damage by default (thats what Energy Resistance is for). On the extreme, you might even currently be implying that it applies to all energy types as well, including Vile, Negative, and Divine. DR 5/- over 10 levels is more than good enough on top of Fast Healing 20+Con.
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    This class needs more troll abilities other than damage reduction and regeneration. From quickly googling "troll mythology":

    These beings have some very extraordinary and useful properties; they can, for instance, go about invisibly, [g] or turn themselves into any shape; they can foresee future events; they can confer prosperity, or the contrary, on a family; they can bestow bodily strength on any one; and, in short, perform numerous feats beyond the power of man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus View Post
    Its never going to use Heal or Nature other than as entry requirements, so why not put them at like 2 ranks each and put in a BAB requirement? Its a combatant, so the BAB requirement is fairly standard fare. Even something like Warshaper has a BAB requirement. Or hell, specify Rage 2/day. That either requires Barbarian 4+ or yet another feat for Extra Rage.
    Heal, nature (And alchemy) Were supposed to show that the character can recover it's own wounds, understands the creature it is about to take the traits of, and be able to dilute the blood into the potion all on their own. But i like your ideas about the BAB and rage requirements. Iíll add them in.

    Also, if the hp recovery mechanic does not transform damage to nonlethal it should be noted as Fast Healing. Regeneration and Fast Healing work very very differently, and though fast healing usually isn't shut off like regeneration (in the case of acid and fire here), there is precedence with the Inevitables, which have fast healing except in regards to damage dealt by chaotic weapons. The amount of fast healing is also somewhat problematic. Up to 20 PLUS your con modifier is pretty damned massive for anyone, and only gets better in Rage.
    What are you talking about? regeneration in trolls recovers hit points recently lost. Ok just checked and while it does turn damage into nonleathal...
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    Emphasis mine. it's essentially the same thing, he recovers hitpoints equal to the amount indicated. And a warrior-type with massive regeneration is what i was going for. someone who can win a fight against an army out of pure attrition alone and still be the last man standing.

    The damage reduction is worded poorly. Damage Reduction is bypassed by all energy damage by default (thats what Energy Resistance is for). On the extreme, you might even currently be implying that it applies to all energy types as well, including Vile, Negative, and Divine. DR 5/- over 10 levels is more than good enough on top of Fast Healing 20+Con.
    Ohh ok, i assumed creatures with damage reduction reduced damage from ANYTHING other then what was indicated (The existence of damage reduction X/ magic got me confused) I'll set it up to just plain damage reduction then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merk View Post
    This class needs more troll abilities other than damage reduction and regeneration. From quickly googling "troll mythology":
    Thatís from real-life trolls, not D&D trolls. Maybe I could ad in a 10ft reach with certain weapons when raging?

    Edit: Does regeneration work if you are in negative hitpoints but stabilized? If not maybe i could add in an ability that allows the Trollblood to make a heal check on himself as a standard action to recover from negative hitpoints.
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    Craft (alchemy) can only be used by spellcasters. While technically a legal class skill for barbarians, it's one they can't ever use without multiclassing.

    Also, your saves still need fixing.

    Regeneration is not "essentially the same thing" as fast healing. With fast healing, you just have to damage a creature faster than it heals. A creature with regeneration is impossible to kill if you don't have the damage that overcomes its regeneration, because all the damage you ever inflict will be nonlethal. Regeneration is much more powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benly View Post
    Craft (alchemy) can only be used by spellcasters. While technically a legal class skill for barbarians, it's one they can't ever use without multiclassing.
    even when the potion in question clearly states it can be made by a non spellcaster?

    Also, your saves still need fixing.
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    What exactly is wrong with the saves?


    Regeneration is not "essentially the same thing" as fast healing. With fast healing, you just have to damage a creature faster than it heals. A creature with regeneration is impossible to kill if you don't have the damage that overcomes its regeneration, because all the damage you ever inflict will be nonlethal. Regeneration is much more powerful.
    i see, so what could we do to fix the problem? just state somewere that it funcions as a permanent fast healing spell that can be overcome by acid or fire damage?
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    What exactly is wrong with the saves?
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    Classes have standardized progressions for "strong save" and "weak save". Look at any save progression on any published class or prestige class and it'll be one of two progressions. Use those.
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    even when the potion in question clearly states it can be made by a non spellcaster?
    Well, they'll never be able to use Alchemy to produce anything other than that one potion. So it really is sort of a waste, and it's counterintuitive that they're training up that skill when they're not allowed to make the things it produces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gicko
    i see, so what could we do to fix the problem? just state somewere that it funcions as a permanent fast healing spell that can be overcome by acid or fire damage?
    You could say that they have fast healing of the relevant amount, and grant regeneration at a higher level in the class. In general I think it would behoove you to familiarize yourself better with the relevant rules before trying to make a class.

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    My apologies for thinking an ability called "Regeneration" used by a race commonly known for regaining lost hit points would have anything to do with regaining hit points

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    Well, they'll never be able to use Alchemy to produce anything other than that one potion. So it really is sort of a waste, and it's counterintuitive that they're training up that skill when they're not allowed to make the things it produces.
    Small price to pay for health regeneration donít you think?
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    1. This class would make for a great 1-level dip, especially if you actually made it normal regeneration.
    2. It does essentially recover lost hit points. However, it also makes it so that you can't kill them if you brought the wrong element, giving them more time to recover said hit points. And they don't recover hit points lost from those element's damage. Honestly, it would also make it easier for play if you just had it normal regeneration, so you don't have to record X normal damage, Y fire damage, and so on. Regeneration only heals nonlethal hit points, and causes lethal hit point damage to become nonlethal if it's from the wrong element. It's easier to keep track of.
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    Small price to pay for health regeneration donít you think?
    Yes, but think of it from an in-character standpoint: you're a barbarian who, for some reason, is training to become the world's foremost expert in alchemy even though it will never be possible for you to make any potion except this one.

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    Troll Regeneration seems a bit much to me. Like, yeah, it's bloody useful, it's just perhaps a bit overpowering, I think. It's kinda a nerfed fast healing, basically.

    Do Recovering Rage's stack or do you only get the highest total? Is there a duration for how long those temp hit points last? You may also want to just make it a critical effect, rather than number crunching each time you hit, plus it's an easy way to find out enemy AC, which your DM may not appreciate.
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    I agree that Recovering Rage should be based on a critical hit; however, that does weaken it significantly, so making it be based on damage would be better (perhaps the formula being damage before DR/5 or something). This would prevent you from discovering anything you didn't know about the enemy, while making Fluff sense.

    On a basic note, your saves are too high by standard save progressions, Fort should be (+2, +3, +3, +4, +4, +5, +5, +6, +6, +7) while both Reflex and Will should be (+0, +0, +1, +1, +2, +2, +2, +3, +3). Those are listed for each level, starting from first.
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    Thereís a set save thing prestige classes always need to adhere too? odd.

    Anyways, what if recovering rage added temp hitpoints equal to... BAB + Con? Though personally i wouldnít mind stackable temporary hitpoints, and stacking that would probably be OP.


    and... god dangit i had an idea to add to a rage ability, what was it... god dangit i had it just four minutes ago... ahh well, might come back to me.

    Edit: Removed heal requirements, reduced Alchemy requirements, removed ability to create potion with a heal check, and completely reworked the recovering rage ability. Any better?
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    Uh...you may want to rewrite it again, you lost some words there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cieyrin View Post
    Uh...you may want to rewrite it again, you lost some words there.
    Looks fine to me. what do you mean?
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    Reading it again, it's that it says "move then," instead of "more than," which was what threw me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cieyrin View Post
    Reading it again, it's that it says "move then," instead of "more than," which was what threw me off.
    woops, sorry. fixed it.
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    How long does it take for the troll to grow from the vial on a failed DC alchemy check?
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    How long does it take for the troll to grow from the vial on a failed DC alchemy check?
    Considering you need to roll 10 or less on a 100-sided die, I think instantaneous would be fair. Edited the potion bit to fix that.

    Also: what would you guys think if i changed it so the Trollblood was a spellcaster class that just focused mostly on melee combat? Sort of like a how a paladin is like a fighter with spells or something. this would fix the whole alchemy issue since as a spellcaster it wont be dead ranks anymore, and it would give players in a high-magic world the option to play magical fighters. (I remember i once read a thread about a guy who was DMing a world in which not using/knowing magic was a sin or something like that, so he was looking for a magical melee class) Only issue i have is what spells to give them. healing spells would probably work well with the fluff, but considering the regeneration and the damage reduction, i think that would just make them a little overpowered. Maybe they could just be loaded with self-buffing spells?

    Also also: "Damage done by acid or fire damage may not be recovered using regeneration." do you think it should be changed to "Damage done by acid or fire damage may not be recovered using regeneration for 24 hours." or something like that?
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