League of Legends XV: Robots Are Better Than Trees

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League of Legends XV:
Robots Are Better Than Trees

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EDIT: I added Dogmantra's Rumble guide to the OP.

[Zen Master]

Ok, I know everyone is completely consumed with the tournament and all but .... someone explain Ranked to me, please?

If you go alone - or team up with one friend - that's solo queue?
And if you go three or more, that's team?

How many games before I'm assigned an ELO?

It's my impression that when I play on weekends, I get teamed with complete amateurs, and wind up playing against premade pro teams. Meaning during weekends I always lose. Has anyone made the same observation - and does it also apply to ranked?

[Eldariel]

Ok, I know everyone is completely consumed with the tournament and all but .... someone explain Ranked to me, please?

If you go alone - or team up with one friend - that's solo queue?

Well, playing with a teammate is called Duo Queue, but yes, you're paired with the same people. If you queue with a friend, you get an artificially inflated matchmaking ELO to compensate for the voice communication and such so you'll get paired against higher level people (hence why many high ELO people find duos bothersome).

And if you go three or more, that's team?

You can only queue for a 3v3 Ranked in 3s. Basically, full 3s in 3v3 or full 5s in 5v5 is a full arranged team and thus queues for the Team Queue. 4 people can't queue for anything Ranked together.

How many games before I'm assigned an ELO?

Normally the number is ten. I've seen some variance but it's around there.

It's my impression that when I play on weekends, I get teamed with complete amateurs, and wind up playing against premade pro teams. Meaning during weekends I always lose. Has anyone made the same observation - and does it also apply to ranked?

Over the long time, while I've noticed some strange patterns in teams I get paired with, I haven't seen anything as simple. Except late night players are generally worse, on both sides.

But that shouldn't really happen in ranked; you can't get paired against premades if you're queuing for solo queue, and your ELO determines who you get paired with so people should be roughly on a similar level.

[Penguinizer]

1 or two is solo que. Full 5 is team. You can't do 3 or 4 in one que.

[Eldariel]

The Game Of Destiny; SK vs. Fnatic - which of the Big 2 will make it to Dreamhack? Tune in and find out!

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Oh, Jarvan is about as ridiculous as I expected. Excellent.

Agreed. Picked him up yesterday and having a blast. Had the weirdest game with him last night too: Jarvan vs Tryndamere mid. It ended in a rough draw in CS with no kills, so eh. Still, strangest mid setup I've been part of. Another bit of lovely weirdness was carry Sona: 22/7/20 or abouts. Lichbane, AA Staff, Deathcap and she was making the enemy Jax explode.

[Astrella]

I'd like to point out the severe moral issues I have with this thread title.

[Nargan]

Why do a lot of high tier teams use Miss Fortune? Every time I've played her, or against her, or with her on my team, she just gets focussed, and owned. And as far as I can tell, her damage is mediocre unless she gets seriously fed, if you compare her to another ranged carry.

Second, why do none of them use Rumble? Thanks to Dogmantra's persuasion, I picked him up the other day and haven't looked back. I always do well with K/D/A, bring a lot to teamfights, ganks etc. He has a solid early game, and can snowball fairly easily.

Lastly, obligatory 6300 IP question. A few more games and I have enough. Which champ, and why? Here's the list I was thinking of picking up:
-Miss Fortune (If above questions are answered well, anyway ;p)
-Brand (I like burning things in nearly every game I play, as well as real life. Sometimes. Playing Rumble hasn't helped)
-Nocturne (Seems fun, that is all.)
-Vladimir (Seems OP at low ELO)
-Blitzcrank (See Vladimir)
-Kog (Everyone loves carry's. Right? Right.)
-Malzahar (Free level 6 kill and decent CC)

[Eldariel]

Why do a lot of high tier teams use Miss Fortune? Every time I've played her, or against her, or with her on my team, she just gets focussed, and owned. And as far as I can tell, her damage is mediocre unless she gets seriously fed, if you compare her to another ranged carry.

She's a carry. She requires a competent team. However, far as carries go, she has the longest range anti-healing ability in the game which is big with the amount of healing being used currently. Further, she has some of the best lane harass among all the ranged carries and indeed, is a top tier laner all around. Her kit is pretty good though her ultimate is mostly early game and farming tool.

Carries don't do damage unless they farm well. MF with decent farm (something she'll always get in decent teams) will hit hard though. And yeah, in pub games carries can easily get focused but that isn't really the case in arranged teams. Good carry-players also fail less at positioning and thus are less likely to get focused since they aren't in a position to be focused.

Second, why do none of them use Rumble? Thanks to Dogmantra's persuasion, I picked him up the other day and haven't looked back. I always do well with K/D/A, bring a lot to teamfights, ganks etc. He has a solid early game, and can snowball fairly easily.

People play him. He's used as a lane dominator. His biggest problem is, he's a tanky type that doesn't bring CC to the table, making him kinda meh unless he gets farmed but he dominates lane hard enough to do that quite often. Fnatic is currently playing Rumble, for example; he's viable in arranged teams.

Lastly, obligatory 6300 IP question. A few more games and I have enough. Which champ, and why? Here's the list I was thinking of picking up:
-Miss Fortune (If above questions are answered well, anyway ;p)
-Brand (I like burning things in nearly every game I play, as well as real life. Gotta address that issue sometime.)
-Nocturne (Seems fun, that is all.)
-Vladimir (Seems OP at low ELO)
-Blitzcrank (See Vladimir)
-Kog (Everyone loves carry's. Right? Right.)
-Malzahar (Free level 6 kill and decent CC)

Anivia, duh. If that's not an option, Blitz is the coolest of that bunch. Malz, Vlad and Brand are Anivia-lites and Noc is a solid jungler. MF and Kog are solid ranged carries; decide based on what role you want.

[Zen Master]

I'd like to point out the severe moral issues I have with this thread title.

ERROR, DOES NOT COMPUTE.

TREES, UNPROCESSED, LIMITED UTILITY, VALUE 3:334,23

ROBOTS, HIGHLY PROCESSED, GREAT UTILITY, VALUE 1:334663,88

BLITZCRANK > MAOKAI

LOVE, BLITZCRANK [end of file]

[efdf]

Frankly, from watching these tournament streams CLG has no chance of winning Dreamhack. They're a definitively weaker team than EG, TSM and most of the European teams, and maybe even a weaker team than Rock Solid. They're used to being the top, so when their strategies are completely different from other top teams they think "we're ahead of the curve" rather than "we should start adapting". Ranged carries are completely imbalanced and CLG is still sitting on incredibly stupid MELEE 0 damage team comps like Amumu, Alistar, Taric while other teams are running triple carry. Their teamfighting coordination is weak and they even get outplayed in lane.

How do I inspire competance in my teammates? I keep duoing with toasty and we get the worst, and I mean the worst teammates possible, it doesn't matter how well I do because I can't 1v5 them. I'll be 5/0/3 coming out of laning phase as nocturne and I'll have 5 of our 8 kills. Why can't people do well on their own. Why can't they do well in teamfights, why is it that the only way they can do anything is when I make it happen? We get someone horrible every game we play. Like a warwick level 3 feeding enemy mf mid, or a kennen building attack speed, or a vlad losing lane to mundo. Or our mid getting firstblooded to ashe a weak laner. How do I carry these people? What can I do differently, I'm already doing well and coming out of laning phase with kills or assists for our team. How do I make them not lose. I even ward river for them.

I've gone from 1380 elo to 1260 elo because of bad teammates for like 7 games in a row.

In my opinion, you inspire competence in your teammates by simplifying the game to a point where they don't need competence. You ping when it's the right time to dragon, you ping when it's the right time to Baron, you ping where you're going to push. You don't engage in intricate 5v5 team fights, you catch someone on the enemy team out of place and just dogpile them. You spam B in chat when it's the wrong time to fight. Beyond that, you have to remember that while there are some games you cannot win, there are also some games you cannot lose, like when the enemy Ashe builds AP. So, just play your best and make a difference in the close games.

[Spartacus]

None of the suggested titles jumped out at me, so I decided to look at some Dogmantra posts for ideas. It turns out I only needed one post to find something awesome.

[Moonshadow]

Twitch

That is all. Stupid obnoxious kill stealing rat.

[Dogmantra]

I'd like to point out the severe moral issues I have with this thread title.

I'd like to point out some severe AWESOME issues I have with the thread title.

Second, why do none of them use Rumble? Thanks to Dogmantra's persuasion, I picked him up the other day and haven't looked back. I always do well with K/D/A, bring a lot to teamfights, ganks etc. He has a solid early game, and can snowball fairly easily.

In addition to what Eld said, he's a pubstomper. Because he's lane dominant and snowballs fairly easily, you get five kills in your lane, you've just wrecked one or two opponents' mid games, and all of a sudden you have a couple of hats to burn people harder and get ridiculous numbers on your ultimate. One of the troubles there is that the higher level you play at, the less aggressive lanes are unless they know they have a distinct advantage. That makes Rumble a lot harder to snowball because your opponents are going to make fewer overextensions and mistakes, so sure you might zone them, but you're sure as heck not going to walk out of the laning phase with eight kills and two assists, and I think Rumble really needs to snowball or be carried.

Lastly, obligatory 6300 IP question. A few more games and I have enough. Which champ, and why? Here's the list I was thinking of picking up:

Of the bunch there, Blitzcrank is clearly a good purchase (also hilarious to stomp games with, hellooooo tower pulls) and I am such a Vlad player so I suppose it's the law to recommend him too. Hit pool win game.

[Khaeta]

there are also some games you cannot lose, like when the enemy Ashe builds AP

How do you build Ashe?

(honestly though, I've always thought that would be hilariously fun to try. Still haven't gotten around to it...)

[Shades of Gray]

... Her only AP scaling is on her ultimate. The AP will only matter:

1) On her ultimate.
2) For taking out structures (though AD is much better at that)
3) If you have lich bane, in which case, congrats, you are back to dealing physical damage.

[TechnOkami]

Now to completely detract from the previous threads conversation: I just bought Irelia, and I need a build.

[Moonshadow]

Now to completely detract from the previous threads conversation: I just bought Irelia, and I need a build.

Mercs + Triforce. Win games forever with that.


I want Orianna already D:

[Faulty]

Now to completely detract from the previous threads conversation: I just bought Irelia, and I need a build.

Irelia is one of my favorite characters. I will impart to you my build!

Start: Regrowth Pendant + 1 health pot
Regrowth -> Philosopher's Stone
Boots 1
Heart of Gold
Sheen
Merc's Treads

That's your core. From there, if you need more defense you build whatever tankiness is appropriate. Ex: vs. heavy magic dps, build Force of Nature; vs. heavy physical dps, build Randuin's. At some point you're going to want to bump that Sheen into a Trinity Force. Once you've got your Tri Force and some defense, you can either build more defense or more offense. For more defense, get a Guardian Angel or situational tanky item. For more offense, get a Ghostblade. If you need to sell your Philo stone, upgrade it to the tenacity item before selling it if you can; you'll get 40 more gold that way.

Skilling order: Q -> W -> E for your first three levels, then you focus R > E > Q > W.

Masteries: 0/9/21 (getting Strength of Spirit in the defense tree).

Optimal Runes:
Armor Pen Quints x3
Armor Pen Marks x9
Flat Armor Seals x9
Scaling MR Glyphs x9

[Eldariel]

Beyond that, you have to remember that while there are some games you cannot win, there are also some games you cannot lose, like when the enemy Ashe builds AP.

High ELO trolling is always fun. And frighteningly common. Honestly, I've had more trolls in my games with 1800+ players than all my other games combined; well, clear trolls anyways, it's hard to tell in the 1200s.

On a completely unrelated note, I was really, positively surprised to find out that ARAM Udyr isn't quite as awful as I thought:

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Sure, of course we won the game 'cause our team was OP aside from me, but Udyr seems to actually act as a rather efficient damage sponge and burst (Tiger) and stunbot. Of course, their team was annoyingly good at kiting so even with Flash, I was only so efficient. But still, positive surprises rock!

Oh, and query to the people more versed in ARAM: Is it common to build stack items like Warmog and Bloodthirster in ARAM? Doesn't seem like you'd have easy farm so I'm kinda confounded by no less than 2 BTs and 2 Warmog's in the game.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

(honestly though, I've always thought that would be hilariously fun to try. Still haven't gotten around to it...)

Correct if I'm wrong, but wouldn't APshe have a whopping big Ult and... that's it? Lichbane procs?



Edit: Super Kennen'd

[Errandir]

High ELO trolling is always fun.

Speaking of which, these last few EU qualifying games have been fantastic.

EDIT: Although I was disappointed when the second match between Fnatic and Gamed wasn't ARAM.

[Eldariel]

Speaking of which, these last few EU qualifying games have been fantastic.

Lol, aAa only team playing seriously Too bad the ARAM didn't happen though

[SlyGuyMcFly]

EDIT: Although I was disappointed when the second match between Fnatic and Gamed wasn't ARAM.

Oh my goodness. An ARAM qualifier would be too amazing.

[Spartacus]

There were a couple of ARAM tournaments last year, I think.

[Dogmantra]

That's a thought, could one of your character picks be "random"?

[Errandir]

It would be hard to counterpick, that's for sure.

[9mm]

Why has no one thought of this before?

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...d.php?t=790825

[toasty]

How do you build Ashe?

(honestly though, I've always thought that would be hilariously fun to try. Still haven't gotten around to it...)

You build an IE and then whatever Damage/Attack Speed Items you feel like. Start with boots. Try not to port till you can get a BF Sword.

Edit: And no, CLG is not the #1 team, not by a long shot. They are still trying to run "Feed the carry", running CC bots like Cho, Alistair, Amumu against Double Carry teams like Corki, Miss Fortune. HotshotGG is simply not as good a player as people think he is. I've yet to be impressed with any mage he plays (I admit I haven't seen him play many mages). At least they finally tried a Double carry team against RS last night, but they picked SIVIR of all heroes. I cried a little.

Finally, I think those last two matches with EG against TSM proved that TSM has some work to do. therainman's jarvan was a beast but it wasn't enough. They really messed up their first game, with such an amazing early game advantage (but that was, if you ask me, therainman getting super hyper cuz he realized he was going to Dreamhack). Anyways, I could tell they were all super excited the way Chaox and therainman were talking. So maybe they'll calm down and do better next time they face EG.

Finally: Props to EG. Drysus, Dan, Salce, Westrice, and Doublelift super impressed me this tourement. I think Doublelift has redeemed himself since his Taric debacle with CLG, especially with those pro Janna moves. I'm not sure why his Blitz is so good since I haven't been super impressed with it, but I know his Poppy was amazing. Westrice pretty much proved that you can do well in a touremant even if you can only playe 1-2 heroes well, but honestly he needs to find another carry or tankydps (and let Drysus run MF/ Caitlyn bot) in case someone gets wise and bans Akali/Corki.

Also: Won, not a single Shen Ban/Pick. ... the end of Shen's reign as the ultimate tank?

[Winthur]

Lesson learned today:
It's duo-queue on normal mode.
Your team doesn't protect you in the jungle and thus you lose your blue buff to Mundo/Nasus?
Your duo queuing friend is stuck on top as Lux because of the awkward teamcomp and doesn't do well against aforementioned Mundo/Nasus?
Your Tryndamere keeps raging at the first time Sona who does better than him anyway and tells us to surrender because apparently our team comp has no hard CC?
Go form a duolane top and pretend you're Renekton and not Amumu. If crying is sure to result in victory, then you must cry. Skip the Aegis of the Legion, it doesn't deal nearly enough damage. Sunfire Cape + tears = OP. When you're fed to the point where you bluepill with 3000 gold and you don't know what to do with it, get all the potions so that the glowing effect conceals your Banshee's Veil and Guardian Angel, fooling the enemy into focusing you.

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And you will win.