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Thread: El Goonish Shive
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2011-10-13, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Humor is rather subjective, is it not?
Is there intriguing/fulfilling character development?
Is there intriguing/fulfilling plot development?
If yes to any of the above, then it was a fine strip and I see no reason to complain.LGBTitP
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2011-10-14, 08:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
So. Statement in-comic that the superpowered form directly based on Elliot's fantasies that he wants to be Superman is stronger than Elliot's baseline form.
And some people on the official forums still refuse to believe that his physically strongest form could possibly be female.
What.
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2011-10-14, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Well, are they considering the cat-form one of his forms? I could see that being argued as one of his 'strongest'. Probably not true, as of the moment, but not a totally unreasonable argument.
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2011-10-14, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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For raw muscle power, maybe. But! It does not have superhero enhancement. No super strength, no fly, no healing factor... Plus, the transformation is painful.
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2011-10-14, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
His superhero form is explicitly based on Superman - he has super strength in that form.
His cat form is just him as a catboy. Cats are not, in fact, particularly strong for their size, so they're no real reason for that form to give him any extra strength.
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2011-10-14, 11:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well he did deliberately turn into that form way back when he had to walk all the way back home from the dewitchery diamond warehouse, so I assume he had a reason to do so rather than simply the plot convenience of being taken for a shapeshifter by any of Grace's kind that would happen to be along the road.
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2011-10-15, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-10-15, 12:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-10-15, 12:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-10-15, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Or Cat Elliot has more stamina (which is also ridiculous because humans have much more stamina than cats). Or Cat Elliot is simply faster (which isn't out of the question, because cats have better reflexes and are faster than humans).
Elliot can carry Tedd in his human form and run at the same time, too!
Alternatively, Tedd is not a biologist and programs his forms what he intuitively thinks they should be like. Alas, intuition is often wrong.
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2011-10-15, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like this explanation the most, with one caveat you kinda implied anyway. Regarding a cat-human hybrid's capabilities, Tedd's preferences and understanding are not mutually exclusive. He's perfectly capable of believing an actual human-cat hybrid wouldn't be physically superior across the board, and then just ignoring that if he likes the idea.
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2011-10-21, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Wow. That was a short arc.
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2011-10-22, 06:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, Sarah's actually arguing for the death of the author here? I'm not sure I like that. I find that if an author makes a statement which defines someithng previously undefined in his setting, then that is official canon.
Quoth the raven, "Polly wants a cracker."
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2011-10-23, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think that a middle ground is usually best. Yes, sometimes an author can clarify something that was unclear in an interesting way and that can be cited as clear evidence of the reasons in the work. Other times, some people should have a restraining order filed to keep them from tampering with their work once they're through with it the first time. Usually, Authorial intent should be considered but not taken as writ unless it's expressly included in the work in the first place.
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2011-10-30, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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How boaring. Yes, it's a pun.
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2011-10-30, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
SpoilerCatalina, that's a boar, not a donkey.
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2011-10-31, 06:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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That was actually pretty scary
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2011-11-06, 02:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Catalina/Rhoda FTW.
Didn't we have some previous hints that Rhoda swung that way as well? I seem to remember subtext with her and Diane, possibly more than subtext. I'm tired and not going to archive dive tonight, but I intend to look into this!
That said, pet peeve. Potential second lesbian relationship before Justin gets himself a hot guy?
It has hints of the wrong kind of fanservice/favoritism. Rubs me the wrong way. Now Justin... I'd let him rub me the right way.
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2011-11-08, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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She was quite a fan of Diane, I think, and the third part of their little group did find her admiration strange (indicating that she is not just acting like a fangirl).
Justin does indeed need a boyfriend, possibly one that nobody expects... Like Magus!
Probably won't happen, but I called it if it did!
An interesting note is that Justin seems to have a lot of female fans in the comic itself, possible foreshadowing of alternate universe romances or just dramady? I have no idea, but I bet the pamphlet guy will be the mastermind!Treasured Quotes
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2011-11-08, 09:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Or you know, George could grow up and admit he is gay and has a crush for Justin. At least at that point Justin couldn't use that stupid 'there are no gay guys around here' excuse.
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2011-11-08, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-08, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's an assumption. We've had no mention of George's age. The only thing that might ballpark it is his mention that he attends night class, suggesting he's college age or older. It could be he's a freshman in college, which would make the guy's very likely crush far less squicky.
Not to say George couldn't be creepily older than Justin. The thought just honestly hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned it.
On an unrelated note, yay giant piggy. I've always felt boars don't get used enough, given how dangerous they can be (flash photography notwithstanding), so I'm interested in seeing where that element goes.
Also, fun with Catalina and Rhoda~
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2011-11-08, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also, my point wasn't necessarily that Justin and George become a couple, but that if George came out to him, even if it doesn't work out, could cause Justin to reevaluate his surroundings. You know, get over his Eliot crush and find someone else. [Which is where I think the whole Party development will lead, Justin realizing part of his crush is that there is no one else he really wants]
I failed to bring that across though.
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2011-11-10, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Justin needs a guy who isn't a consistently insulting sweaty neckbeard. Justin/George for the fail!
I'm kind of hoping Melissa will move on now and find someone she genuinely falls for rather than the current arrangement. That frees up Noah, who I like as an individual and moral voice and for his willingness to call Justin on his BS (I like Justin, but he needs to ditch some of his baggage).
Though Noah probably isn't masculine enough for Justin.
Umm... Maybe if Hedge moves to moperville? But I don't really like hedge, he was too tight with Damien and I've kind of tried to ignore painted black for a lot of reasons.
It's okay, he can go with... um...
THERE ARE TOO FEW MEN IN THIS COMIC!
Susan, make the switch permanently. You two had such a cute moment!
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2011-11-11, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Last edited by Pie Guy; 2011-11-11 at 04:06 PM.
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2011-11-12, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yay, more lesbians. I kind of agree on the Justin thing. That said, Catilina is a great character and more screen-time for her is good.
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2011-11-28, 12:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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I feel I'm more amused by Grace's letter than I should be. ^__^ Just so blunt, and complete with a smiley face...
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2011-11-28, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish Shive
Great comic.
SpoilerI Love Raven's "WHAT." Face.
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2011-11-29, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-29, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oookay, is there something I'm missing here? Is that boar one of Grace's brothers or something? Is there anything about it that's special at all? Because otherwise I fail to see why an age-old half-immortal would be so interested in a pig.
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