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    Yeah, in Imperishable night, I've found that learning when you're totally doomed and need to bomb is a good thing, as it effectively doubles your bomb capacity compared to using last spells all the time.

    Also, as somebody who recently finally beat Kaguya on Normal mode, anybody have any suggestions for the next game to find?
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    Extra mode in IN?

    /dohohohoho

    Yeah, I'm thinking not so much, after dying to the first fairy, and then watching Mokou's spellcards on youtube.

    Is it true that Imperishable Night is the easiest one out there? I've heard that subterranean animism is pretty brutal overall, but any specific recommendations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninja_penguin View Post
    /dohohohoho

    Yeah, I'm thinking not so much, after dying to the first fairy, and then watching Mokou's spellcards on youtube.

    Is it true that Imperishable Night is the easiest one out there? I've heard that subterranean animism is pretty brutal overall, but any specific recommendations?
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    Imperishable Night is considered the "easiest" game because of how generous it is with extra lives and bombs. You can change the number of lives you start with to some degree, and every time you continue, you get an additional extra life to work with. Additionally, easy mode is pretty dang easy. Most of those things don't really apply to extra mode though.

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    People have said that Ten Desires is one of the easiest thus far, and is a break from the relatively painful experiences of the more "recent games." (Recent here meaning MoF through UFO; I don't remember which ones specifically are considered hard.) I'd recommend taking a look at that, or just continue numerically with MoF. If you're going to MoF and later, note that continuing now starts you from the beginning of the stage, not where you last died. You could also go backwards; PCB is a good one. EoSD removes the visible hitbox, so if you're reliant on it, you may want to pass. Do also note that none of the other games (except TD I think) has Spell Practice, so you're just going to have to do entire stages to get better against certain bosses/cards.

    You could also try out some of the spinoffs. PoFV is quite tiring, but it might be good if you have friends you can play with and enjoy competition. The two picture games are fun in my opinion, although they're quite difficult. They might be useful for practicing specific patterns though, since each stage is one card and you can pick whichever ones you want to do. And finally, I personally love the fighting games, but that's a different genre entirely.
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    Of those I'd recommend Ten Desires. While I absolutely love Shou and Byakuren as characters, UFO is one of the hardest games in the series by a fair margin. Compared to the early games its easy mode is harder than most normal modes and some gameplay mechanics exacerbates this, most notably the difficulty of getting new lives and bombs and the risks it entails and the way continues are handled where they send you back to the start of the stage.

    It does have some great backgrounds and gets you acquainted with some really great and popular characters, though.

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    Aw, you make my avatar sad.
    Well, Kaguya got me into Touhou, after somebody pointed out that I'd used a picture of her that i'd nabbed from a character art thread on /tg/ for a character once. So I guess I come down on that side of the rivalry.

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    Of those I'd recommend Ten Desires.
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    People have said that Ten Desires is one of the easiest thus far, and is a break from the relatively painful experiences of the more "recent games."

    You could also try out some of the spinoffs.
    So, Ten Desires sounds like a go, then. I did nab Mountain of Faith, and mein gott, you weren't kidding about Imperishable Night being generous with the lives. Also I'm not sure what to think about the Bomb 'power' system. I know that I'm not a huge fan of the auto-focuses if I hold fire down.

    Speaking of spin-offs, is Fairy Wars any good? Cirno amuses me in a memetic fashion.
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    I like some of the characters in MoF, and the soundtrack is incredible. Gameplay-wise, however, I'd say it's tied with EoSD for worst in the series. The rest of this post will be written from behind cover.


    Anyway, PCB is excellent. Go play that. Easy is harder than IN easy, while Normal is easier than IN normal. And yes, the fighting games, while not what you're looking for, are possibly my favourite parts of the series.


    As for Fairy Wars? Fantastic game. It may actually be my favourite of all the shooters in the series.
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    I like some of the characters in MoF, and the soundtrack is incredible. Gameplay-wise, however, I'd say it's tied with EoSD for worst in the series. The rest of this post will be written from behind cover.


    Anyway, PCB is excellent. Go play that. Easy is harder than IN easy, while Normal is easier than IN normal. And yes, the fighting games, while not what you're looking for, are possibly my favourite parts of the series.


    As for Fairy Wars? Fantastic game. It may actually be my favourite of all the shooters in the series.
    Any game with Youmu as a playable is my favorite. Great Fairy Wars was a lot of fun though.

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    Any game with Youmu as a playable is my favorite. Great Fairy Wars was a lot of fun though.
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    Ok, so, getting better at this, I think. As in, when I play on Normal now, stages 1 and 2 pass without incident. Stage 3 however has Keine, who quite happily crushes me.

    Also, managed to beat 6B with Border team on Easy, the game proceeded to recommend Extra Stage in the credits. Take a wild guess how that went.
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    Ok, so, getting better at this, I think. As in, when I play on Normal now, stages 1 and 2 pass without incident. Stage 3 however has Keine, who quite happily crushes me.

    Also, managed to beat 6B with Border team on Easy, the game proceeded to recommend Extra Stage in the credits. Take a wild guess how that went.
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    I didn't even get to Keine.
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    I didn't even get to Keine.
    Sorry, sorry! Just joking.
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    Awwww, does that mean I don't get to cave you?

    I play Keine on a Touhou RP site and all.

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    Awwww, does that mean I don't get to cave you?

    I play Keine on a Touhou RP site and all.
    Does that mean you play EX-Keine as well?

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    Given that they're the same person, just at different times of the month, it does.

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    After poking around a bit, I'm liking Perfect Cherry Blossom the most right now.

    Also, when trying out everybody, I stumbled on SakuyaA's max-dakka spread/semi-homing knives. Why is she not the main character every game?

    Also Merlin Prismriver, you and I have unfinished business.
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    The Prismrivers are horrible to fight and Merlin is the worst of them in the bits where they aren't together. When I played PCB I pretty much always strove to deal the most damage to Lyrica so she would be the one I got to fight in the solo segments instead. She's so much easier.

    And I agree, Sakuya A in PCB is the nicest bulletspread of any playable character ever. Which is awesome since she's also the coolest playable character by a fair margin so it's nice to be able to choose her while still getting an effective shot.

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    So out of curiosity, is it taboo to post the ending text? I'm curious because when i was looking up a few bits to see if there was a joke I'd missed, I notice that there is two endings for each shot type of the protagonists. And I'm not really a fan of having to relearn everything all over again for each.
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    So out of curiosity, is it taboo to post the ending text? I'm curious because when i was looking up a few bits to see if there was a joke I'd missed, I notice that there is two endings for each shot type of the protagonists. And I'm not really a fan of having to relearn everything all over again for each.
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    I figured it must have been something like that.

    The prismriver sisters continue to get all of my rage, perhaps mostly due to the crap that I have to put up with just to reach them.

    Youmu is hard, but something i think I'll be able to get through eventually. I think Reisen was harder overall on me; I managed to figure out her non-spellcard attacks, but my general method (focusing mostly on the character, then zooming out and identifying lines of motion in that direction) failed hard on her when she would reorient everything.

    edit-addendum: Oh, do cherry points do anything other than score, and the supernatural border every 50K? Was just curious. I know the time points were the triggers for the last spells, and for the endgame in Imperishable Night, and was curious if they're at all similar.

    Was also wondering if your current level of cherry points matters for the dialogue. Every time I meet Youmu she's all 'blarg I am a spring vampire', ~2-3 lives later and KNIVES, KNIVES EVERYWHERE, when we meet again she's all 'oh, when did a human get in here?'
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    I wish to note: Forbidden Arcanum: Hourai Elixir(Eirin's Last Spell) can go and combust. I have tried that far too many times only to fail with the countdown sound still ringing in my ears.
    Yes, even on Easy. I haven't even gotten that far on Normal yet.
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    I wish to note: Forbidden Arcanum: Hourai Elixir(Eirin's Last Spell) can go and combust. I have tried that far too many times only to fail with the countdown sound still ringing in my ears.
    Yes, even on Easy. I haven't even gotten that far on Normal yet.
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    I wish to note: Forbidden Arcanum: Hourai Elixir(Eirin's Last Spell) can go and combust. I have tried that far too many times only to fail with the countdown sound still ringing in my ears.
    Yes, even on Easy. I haven't even gotten that far on Normal yet.
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    This is normal. You seriously have no idea how normal this is.
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    Love the mustache on Unzan.
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    Progress: Tried Extra Stage to puncture own ego after finally beating Hourai Elixir on Easy, accidentally got to Mokou through judicious use of bombspam. Got to her third spellcard, where I ran out of lives. And bombs.

    Ego now far too inflated for own good.
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    Ego now far too inflated for own good.
    Try SA or UFO? Those games are usually considered quite difficult. Or maybe play through the stages again, but jump straight up to Lunatic? I've heard people say that Extra is actually about the same difficulty as Hard, due to differences like how long each session lasts or less predictability in patterns.

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    Heh, amusing, but I wish the maker had stuck with closer to real spell cards for the characters that have them anyway.
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