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    Don't untyped bonuses stack? They shouldn't be considered from the same source since it's 2 different classes...
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    As they are both a class feature and named the same, they count as the same source.
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    Besides, if we're going by RAW, you can't qualify for both at the same time.
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    Facepalm.

    Moar derps
    This is what I get for posting in a minmax thread without being a rules lawyer.
    Dang, so swordsage doesn't really get anything of note from monk.
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    The bonus feats, save bump and access to some nifty feats (Sun School and I think reaping talons) are a good trade off IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcielle View Post
    Dang, so swordsage doesn't really get anything of note from monk.
    Bonus feats that you don't have to qualify for. Excellent for, say, Combat Expertise without 13 int or PA while dumping strength.
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    ... MONKS GET POWER ATACK?
    (or did you mean some other PA?)
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    Thank you. This would be downright NASTY if Shocktrooper didn't require BAB +6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcielle View Post
    Thank you. This would be downright NASTY if Shocktrooper didn't require BAB +6.
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    Gives you 2 prereqs for shocktrooper just in time for you to take your next feat, only thing you wouldn't have would be BAB requirement. But you probably knew that so I am assuming youre confused as to why I think it would be powerful. I don't really. I just thought it would be really cool. It's really a shame monk is one of the few melees who can't make full use of this. Also. THREAD DERAILING ALERT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcielle View Post
    Gives you 2 prereqs for shocktrooper just in time for you to take your next feat
    At level 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcielle View Post
    Thank you. This would be downright NASTY if Shocktrooper didn't require BAB +6.
    This thread is gettin derailed fast so I'm just gonna concede for whatever comes after this lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcielle View Post
    This thread is gettin derailed fast so I'm just gonna concede for whatever comes after this lol
    I meant, you get the prerequisites for the feat (aside from BAB) at level 2. You don't gain another feat at level 2.
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    I know, but like I said, I'm just gonna concede at this point.
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137260
    Latest form(that I know of) of the 'get every level 9 maneuver build'.
    Thought it would be worth digging up since it uses mainly swordsage as the base.
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    I'm adding a section on multiclassing now.

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    Do you need anything written for it?

    I've written up some incomplete notes that I just never got around to finishing. I also wrote up a multiclassing section for the Crusader Handbook, some of which might be portable/helpful here.

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    Prestige class:

    Revenant Blade (five levels, Player's Guide to Eberron)
    You need: three feats, 5 BAB, few points in class skills, Valenar elf.
    You gain: full BAB, decent skills, 3-4 floating feats you don't need to qualify for from a short list, class level as competence () bonus to hide/move silently, ability to treat each end of Valenar Double Scimitar as two-handed weapon.
    Cons: aside from slowing IL/maneuver progress, Valenar Double Scimitar isn't a school weapon for any school by RAW.
    Best used by: TWF/critfisher. Double weapon is a good option even before capstone, since you can use it for TWF with boosts and full attacks or as a two-hander for strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenish View Post
    Prestige class:

    Revenant Blade (five levels, Player's Guide to Eberron)
    You need: three feats, 5 BAB, few points in class skills, Valenar elf.
    You gain: full BAB, decent skills, 3-4 floating feats you don't need to qualify for from a short list, class level as enhancement () bonus to hide/move silently, ability to treat each end of Valenar Double Scimitar as two-handed weapon.
    Cons: aside from slowing IL/maneuver progress, Valenar Double Scimitar isn't a school weapon for any school by RAW.
    Best used by: TWF/critfisher. Double weapon is a good option even before capstone, since you can use it for TWF with boosts and full attacks or as a two-hander for strikes.
    I'm certain I've written stuff up on prestige classes on this, but this will be added, although why is an enhancement bonus bad? Is that because it doesn't stack with invisibility and items?

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    Yeah ... for skills, Competence is the "bad" bonus. Enhancement bonuses to skills are very rare, and therefore awesome.
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    Yeah ... for skills, Competence is the "bad" bonus. Enhancement bonuses to skills are very rare, and therefore awesome.
    Ah, right, it's competence bonus. I was just thinking "the same type as magic items give" and wrote enhancement.
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    Ah, right, it's competence bonus. I was just thinking "the same type as magic items give" and wrote enhancement.
    Ah. Yeah, in that case it's worthy of a frowny face.
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    Ah. Yeah, in that case it's worthy of a frowny face.
    I thought competence stacked and enhancement doesn't and it comes on items?
    That's why a belt of Giant's strength and Bull's strength don't stack.

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    I thought competence stacked and enhancement doesn't and it comes on items?
    That's why a belt of Giant's strength and Bull's strength don't stack.
    You're thinking of circumstance bonuses. Those stack as long as the bonus doesn't derive from the same circumstance.
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    So can you combine Raging Mongoose with Diamond Nightmare Blade and get 6 attacks with it at x4 damage for each attack that hits, for a TWF?

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    So can you combine Raging Mongoose with Diamond Nightmare Blade and get 6 attacks with it at x4 damage for each attack that hits, for a TWF?
    No. The rumor that Dancing and Raging Mongoose can be used without a full attack (which I helped prolong ) is negated by the following line from the SRD:

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    If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough, because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon or for some special reason you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks.
    But even if that weren't the case, combining Raging Mongoose with a standard action strike wouldn't let you use the strike multiple times. It would just let you use the strike once, then make additional attacks that don't benefit from the strike's special text. (This is how Snap Kick works. Unlike the Mongoose boosts, it's an explicit exception to the rule I quoted above.)
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    Darn. Oh well. It can still be combined with another boost once you get dual boost, like inferno blade right?

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    Yup, that's the point of Dual Boost.

    You can even use both those boosts, then spend your full-round action on Time Stands Still.
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    Darn. Oh well. It can still be combined with another boost once you get dual boost, like inferno blade right?
    Or Divine Impetus but yes, they work together just fine.
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