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2011-05-04, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion IV: Roll Join Debate
yes except for the added drawback that a vitriol tainted artifact can be identified and thus can get you in trouble, whether this balances it out is up to the individual. Also in theory all artifact bonuses are equal on all things (in practice on the other hand some bonuses are better, but I don't think its enough to upset the balance.)
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2011-05-04, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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90% of the time, it's the base material that gets you into trouble, not the vitriol. Most of Creation can't tell the difference between tainted orichalcum and the regular stuff.
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2011-05-04, 06:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Remember: Hope springs eternal. The dark days will pass and the sun will shine again.
The best way to learn something is to ask, so ask without shame.
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2011-05-04, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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For artifacts that come as a pair, such as razor claws or smashfists, would being an amputee, and as such only having one arm, mean you could pay less for the artifact, or less attunement since you would only need one?
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2011-05-04, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's invoking those interactions, actually, artificially. It's the Exalted version of natural science through exploiting How Stuff Works.
While there's the possibility of high-power Thaumaturgy out there, there is essentially no guidance on how to make it, so one homebrew's as good as another at this point.
Personally, I outlined additional, undiscovered arts and sciences, which simply exist for my players to find if they ever get interested in thaumaturgy.
What? That's not nearly awesome enough.
It means one attaches to a whip that is attached to the stump.
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2011-05-04, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Considering you can't get an artifact rating between 0 and 1 noninclusive, I'd say no for the cost of smashfist and yes for the razor claws (1 dot same as short daiklave). The attunement cost, yes for both though, since it is 3 per.
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2011-05-04, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Jargon File: metasyntactic variable
Basically, "foo" is a wildcard, like "*" in some search engines. Foocubi refers to incubi and succubi. Potion of Foo Healing covers minor, least, lesser, and greater healing potions (plus whatever other modifiers you have). You get the idea.
The current usage, of course, is Footropolis = (Pa|Me)tropolis = Patropolis or Metropolis (what Alchemicals become at high Essence); though they're neither demesnes nor manses and have elemental cores rather than hearthstones, the function is at least broadly similar. Using the one-word term was pure laziness on my part, though I hadn't realized it'd cause confusion. Sorry about that.
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EDIT: Also, this (about amputees with smashfists/razor claws):So very, very this.Last edited by Psyborg; 2011-05-04 at 10:23 AM.
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2011-05-04, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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I thought it was Foot•ropolis, that makes much more sense.
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2011-05-04, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, but being able to pick and choose is terrific. You can take a vitriolic starmetal weapon and do massive damage with it, and a vitriolic moonsilver baneclaw for stupid defence... Whereas if anyone else wants variety, they need fivefold resonators.
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2011-05-04, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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6 motes can easily be the difference between life and death, specially since most games don't go past E5.Vitriol tainting is inane, and being able to pick and choose which bonuses your weapon gets (Or bracers, or armor, ect) is a massive bonus.
This is not balanced, but you have to understand, this is the same section that brought us wonderful things like demon ink tattoos, green iron heart, and the Hauberk of bells. Expecting anything sane out of it is silly.
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2011-05-04, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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And the Phylactery Womb. NOBODY can forget the Phylactery Womb. No matter how much they want to.
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2011-05-04, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's helltech, what were you expecting from the group with demon whores and blow?
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2011-05-04, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Please note none of the things you mentioned are Hellforged Wonders. They are Infernal Relics. Hellforged Wonders are a specific subset of Infernal Relics, the Sapient ones that give their wielders Charms and influence their actions. This is an important distinction to make because at least one Charm specifies Hellforged Wonders in it's text.
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2011-05-04, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry. The Chapter where its all found is called "Wonders of the Demon Realm" so I tend to just staple wonders on the end of it all without thinking.
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2011-05-04, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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He's under the mistaken assumption that people know what the hell Green Sun Princes are and what vitriol is.
Protip: they don't. Well some savants may know what vitriol is, but they wouldn't know that the magical materials can be tainted with it to make it more easily attuned by a type of Exalt no one has ever heard of.
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2011-05-04, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, that only really matters in places where the Immaculate Philosophy is prevalent, which isn't everywhere. Simply being recognizable as "Anathema" is a damn sight better than if the whole world could identify you as "Demonic-Hellspawn Yozi-Avatar Hatchling-Primordials". You might get a bit more widespread prejudice that way.
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2011-05-04, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-04, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Where the Immaculate Philosophy isn't prevalent, extensive Solar charm use isn't likely to change that. But extensive Infernal charm use might put the fear of the Dragons into the locals. If I'm not mistaken, Anathema are already considered demons, so not too far off the mark for GSP's, and even where the Immaculate doctrine isn't taken seriously, it is still often known.
Infernal charm use is inherently disturbing and icky. It's not as bad as Abyssal charm use, certainly, and it makes sense that the Infernals aren't as far along as the Abyssals on the stigma track, considering their mission isn't to obliterate everything.
But if a GSP starts using essence, people aren't going to be as friendly with them as with an equivalent Solar or Lunar in the same situation - and if they aren't using Essence, well, in much of Creation Exalts can pass themselves off as god-bloods or enlightened mortals anyway.
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2011-05-04, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not all Infernals charms are inherently icky. Many of them are just weird, and some of them are basically indistinguishable from Terrestrial/Lunar/Solar charm use.
And no one cares that your anima is green.
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2011-05-04, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, I'm sure when the Defiler walks into town and starts putting people limbs back on, miraculously cures all of their sicknesses, transmutes some dirt into the equivalent of a few billion dollars worth of Jade, and then telekinetically beats up that Behemoth that's been terrorizing them, it'll be all pitchforks and torches.
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2011-05-04, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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According to Holden, many of the charms are written to seem horrible and alien at first glance, but then you realise "Wait, this doesn't have to be evil or alien at all" after thinking about it for a bit.
Principle-Invoking Onslaught, for instance. The default and other examples are things like disintegrating white fire, unearthly sounds that burst bowels, golden fog that turns people into gold and new colours that erase mass.
But you could also use it to simply throw perfectly ordinary burning orange fire, or spears of rock jutting from the ground, or launch weapons that appear from nowhere and vanish after they hit. There's no reason to be alien and weird, that's just how She Who Lives In Her Name likes to do things.
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2011-05-04, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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yea, Secrets and Woods already have that color.
that and you can use Selfishness is Power to help people out, those desert Cecelyne cockroach swarm charms are basically for helping starving people, and as for Cecelyne debt charms you can just order the person to do whatever they want in return for giving them this boon, and that charm that makes people speak old realm could be useful for bridging cultural gaps and such to allow for negotiations to end wars.
basically, if you think outside the box, you can easily turn Infernal Charms on their head to subvert their Yozi's intentions.Last edited by Lord Raziere; 2011-05-04 at 05:55 PM.