General Exalted Discussion IV: Roll Join Debate

[a_humble_lich]

Where is the cost for buying combo's with BP listed?

Core Book, p244, end of first paragraph in the Developing combos section.

[ShadowFighter15]

Quick question: does anyone know of a video that shows someone wielding a seven-section staff? Closest I can find is a seven section chain whip that looks like it's wielded kinda like a rope dart.

EDIT: Unless that's what the writers had in mind when they included the seven-section staff into the game, it's just that the one Shepherd of the North Star is wielding in his picture in Scroll of Exalts looks a mite bigger.

[a_humble_lich]

I think that will be hard because I think the seven section staff only exists in the minds of Exalted writers. I think they took the Chinese three-section staff and thought "that is cool, but it would be even better with an extra 4 sections, because Exalted are that awesome!"

[knightMARE]

Core Book, p244, end of first paragraph in the Developing combos section.

Thanks

[Xefas]

I think that will be hard because I think the seven section staff only exists in the minds of Exalted writers. I think they took the Chinese three-section staff and thought "that is cool, but it would be even better with an extra 4 sections, because Exalted are that awesome!"

Given the specific number, I figure the exact conversation was:
1:"Three section staffs are cool. We should have them in Exalted."
2:"Yeah, but they need to be turned up to 11 for Exalted. What can we do to it?"
1:"Hows about double the sections. **** yeah!"
2:"...no. Double plus one."
1:"=O"

[ShadowFighter15]

I think that will be hard because I think the seven section staff only exists in the minds of Exalted writers. I think they took the Chinese three-section staff and thought "that is cool, but it would be even better with an extra 4 sections, because Exalted are that awesome!"

Given the specific number, I figure the exact conversation was:
1:"Three section staffs are cool. We should have them in Exalted."
2:"Yeah, but they need to be turned up to 11 for Exalted. What can we do to it?"
1:"Hows about double the sections. **** yeah!"
2:"...no. Double plus one."
1:"=O"

Yeah, I thought that'd be the case.

Ah well - not my problem. Even if I make a martial arts character I don't think I'd ever bother with the seven-section staff. Tried using nunchaku in real-life once while I was studying Hapkido. Word of advice - if you're trying to learn how to use them, buy the ones with padding first.

[DragonSinged]

Yeah, I thought that'd be the case.

Ah well - not my problem. Even if I make a martial arts character I don't think I'd ever bother with the seven-section staff. Tried using nunchaku in real-life once while I was studying Hapkido. Word of advice - if you're trying to learn how to use them, buy the ones with padding first.

Generally a good idea with almost any melee-type weapon, actually, but jointed weapons especially. Nunchaku are actually illegal in Canada (as well as other countries, but Canada is where I live) due to the sheer force that can be generated with that sort of jointed weapon. I'd call you lucky if you got away without serious injury.

EDIT: And before anyone says anything, yes, I'm aware the seven-section staff is technically a martial arts weapon in Exalted terms. I meant 'melee' in more general terms.

[Turalisj]

I feel like, since we know at least one person working on the Alchemicals book is a Futurama fan, that Blossom is a spoof on Zap Brannagan.

[ShadowFighter15]

Most of the practice I did was in the actual lessons with the padded ones, but I did swing the other ones around. I was just careful to keep them away from my head. The family jewels may not have liked that decision, but they're still in working order.

On another matter - how would you represent Sidereal Charms in an animation? 2D or 3D, if you were making an animation of a Sidereal fighting someone what would you do to make the more unusual Sidereal Charms look as otherworldly as they would seem to the characters?

For instance, in Keychain of Creation, Jukashi represented the charms of Nemen-Yi, a Chosen of Battles, as her being able to move between panels of the comic, leaping down a row to avoid an attack and catch her opponent by surprise. In one instance, she... actually I'll just quote the entry on the comic's TV Tropes page to save time:

Nemen Yi uses this to her advantage in combat: leaping from one panel to another, abusing perspective to hit multiple targets with a single slash, and breaking off one of the comic's gutters and throwing it at Ben. Then reaching across panels to smack the heads of two enemies together, and then throwing one of them across panel lines into another. As you can expect, this is a Crowning Moment of Awesome.

So what would you do? I already mentioned for a 3D animation of having a short, live-action scene of a pattern spider showing up and latching onto the animator's arm, making him change the animation by accident to what the Sidereal was wanting (maybe altering the angle of an opponent's arm so that the punch would miss, for instance).

[Kylarra]

There is also the time reversal type tropes where you see something happen, a pause and then the scene rewinds so they can try things again.

[Qaera]

Most of the practice I did was in the actual lessons with the padded ones, but I did swing the other ones around. I was just careful to keep them away from my head. The family jewels may not have liked that decision, but they're still in working order.

On another matter - how would you represent Sidereal Charms in an animation? 2D or 3D, if you were making an animation of a Sidereal fighting someone what would you do to make the more unusual Sidereal Charms look as otherworldly as they would seem to the characters?

For instance, in Keychain of Creation, Jukashi represented the charms of Nemen-Yi, a Chosen of Battles, as her being able to move between panels of the comic, leaping down a row to avoid an attack and catch her opponent by surprise. In one instance, she... actually I'll just quote the entry on the comic's TV Tropes page to save time:


So what would you do? I already mentioned for a 3D animation of having a short, live-action scene of a pattern spider showing up and latching onto the animator's arm, making him change the animation by accident to what the Sidereal was wanting (maybe altering the angle of an opponent's arm so that the punch would miss, for instance).

I don't think you understand how SMAs work...

[Kris Strife]

I don't think you understand how SMAs work...

To be fair, I'm not sure Exalted's writers did either.

[Tavar]

I thought the point of SMA's was that know one really understood them, unless they had mastered them.

[Yuki Akuma]

Creating an SMA apparently requires a non-Maiden to get a glimpse of Samara.

So... yeah. No wonder no one understands them.

[Postmodernist]

Quick question: does anyone know of a video that shows someone wielding a seven-section staff? Closest I can find is a seven section chain whip that looks like it's wielded kinda like a rope dart.

EDIT: Unless that's what the writers had in mind when they included the seven-section staff into the game, it's just that the one Shepherd of the North Star is wielding in his picture in Scroll of Exalts looks a mite bigger.

This is the best my search-fu can come up with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZMCXqItWIY

[Turalisj]

Creating an SMA apparently requires a non-Maiden to get a glimpse of Samara.

So... yeah. No wonder no one understands them.

*shows Samsara the first season of Code Geass*
*gets Throne of Shadows style*

Huh....

[Tavar]

Isn't that a Celestial Style, though?

[Turalisj]

So it is. It's a Vizier-only one though.

[Qaera]

To be fair, I'm not sure Exalted's writers did either.

Dean Shomshak...

[Yuki Akuma]

So it is. It's a Vizier-only one though.

No it isn't. Anyone can learn Throne Shadow Style, just like anyone can learn Solar Hero Style or Infernal Monster Style.

Sidereals can just take them as native MA charms rather than a CMA style and can make new charms for the style. Because it's their Hero style.

[Tael]

Quick question: Can mortals learn Craft:Magitech?

[Mr.Bookworm]

Yes. Why wouldn't they be able to?

[Xefas]

In fact, I think Lookshy uses a lot of mortal magitechnicians to maintain all of their repair/maintenance rated artifacts, so that the few Terrestrial crafters they have can be doing more important stuff.

[Yuki Akuma]

Plus, Autochthonians.

Mortals build most of the artifacts there. And a lot of it is magitech.

[Tael]

Mortals can make Artifacts too?!?

Wow, I guess I thought that essence was a big part of the equation, but I guess I was wrong.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Mortals can make Artifacts too?!?

Wow, I guess I thought that essence was a big part of the equation, but I guess I was wrong.

I'm not very familiar with the Artifact creation rules, but mortals can get up to Essence 3, soooooo.

[Reynard]

This has been gone over many times before in these series of threads, but once a Mortal (whatever the mortal may be, human, fish, whatever) gets that second spark of Essence, no matter the method that they get it, they are no longer Mortal.

They might not live forever, and they can certainly be killed, but they're no longer Mortal in the setting. Calling them as such just confuses matters when talking about it.

[Tavar]

Artifacts of rating 3 and below require only 3 dots in occult, lore, and craft. Of course, they also require 10, 30, and 60 successes respectively. So, mortals could easily make a 1 dot artifact, a two dot would be a difficult prospect, and a 3 dot would be the lifelong project of someone.

[Mr.Bookworm]

This has been gone over many times before in these series of threads, but once a Mortal (whatever the mortal may be, human, fish, whatever) gets that second spark of Essence, no matter the method that they get it, they are no longer Mortal.

They might not live forever, and they can certainly be killed, but they're no longer Mortal in the setting. Calling them as such just confuses matters when talking about it.

An Exalted is certainly not a mortal. Nor is a god-blooded of any type. But an enlightened mortal is most definitely mortal.

Not to mention, Exalted has a somewhat different definition of "human" then we do.

[Tavar]

Technically, no, he's not. Part of the definition of mortal is that they can't manipulate essence. If they can, they are no longer fully a mortal.