General Exalted Discussion IV: Roll Join Debate

[Lochar]

Spiteful Sea Tincture. It specifically notes that you can put multiple doses on a weapon, and getting hit by the weapon drops all doses on you.

The rules for poisons in Core states that the Penalty is either the listed Penalty, or the number of doses in your system, whichever is higher.

[Reynard]

That charm needs the "Chicanery: No" keyword.

[Friv]

The rules for poisons in Core states that the Penalty is either the listed Penalty, or the number of doses in your system, whichever is higher.

That is the part that I missed. I never saw that rule, and we've always just been going with the listed Penalty, regardless of how many doses you're affected by.

[Lochar]

That charm needs the "Chicanery: No" keyword.

But it's fun! The charm's duration is even Instant, so you don't have to commit the 2 motes a dose or anything!

[Reynard]

...Does the poison explicitly stick around? If not, then the poison only exists for the instant in which you attack.

[Lochar]

Yeah, it's a standard poison. 7L/action, Toxicity 4, Tolerance 0, Penalty -4

[Reynard]

No, I mean, does it explicitly exist on your weapon for longer than the charm's duration? Existing in the target's body is another matter.

[Lochar]

That's a fair question. I'd have to go look at the wording again on it then.

[Kylarra]

Reading the charm directly would imply no. It has duration of instant and a second repurchase would allow you to give it a duration of 1 month, but that form explicitly limits activation to 1 dose/hit.

[Lochar]

Oh well, it wasn't horribly important to a character. And makes it less broken.

I can still get an arbitrarily high dodge DV though.

[Kylarra]

Last I checked, ToS explicitly removes infinite loops on the grounds that the hounds will eat you or something, so while RAW abuse is amusing, chicanery:no should apply.

[Lochar]

Not an infinite loop. Just two charms that work to add all your negative intimacies to your Dodge DV for an instant, and the other allows you to have as many negative intimacies as you want.

[Kylarra]

While I concede that it's not technically a loop, anything that reaches to arbitrarily large is useless for an arena style match and should be summarily banned and the character tossed into oblivion.

[Lochar]

Yeah, for some reason my ST wouldn't let me start with a list of things she hates. You know, the names of every specific mortal in Creation or something like that.

[Lochar]

So anyways, to drag us onto a new topic.


What would happen if you managed to get the Wedding Band of the Ebon Dragon onto the UCS?

[Cyborg Mage]

Dude, DON'T. Dividing by zero would have lesser consequences.

[Xefas]

What would happen if you managed to get the Wedding Band of the Ebon Dragon onto the UCS?

Anything with Essence 10 will have all the Ebon Dragon charms, and become a new Ebon Dragon. Sol, Chejop, the Ebon Dragon's Neverborn, etc.

[Sanguine]

Anything with Essence 10 will have all the Ebon Dragon charms, and become a new Ebon Dragon. Sol, Chejop, the Ebon Dragon's Neverborn, etc.

Until they take the ring off. Right? Right?

[Cyborg Mage]

Well, for a start, that would be exactly like combining two complete opposites (See also: matter+antimatter). Secondly, if the above was even possible, that means he becomes a Yozi slap bang in the middle of Yu-Shan. Given their oaths, the consequences can't be good. And thirdly, even if he manages to subvert the above two, he then has an entire city of Sidereals and their guests to deal with. All in all, not a good idea.

[Xefas]

Until they take the ring off. Right? Right?

Yes. Although, while they have the ring on, they have an Urge to "Love, Honor, and Obey the Ebon Dragon". Which, you're now the Ebon Dragon. So, I'm not sure how much they'd want to do so.

Secondly, if the above was even possible, that means he becomes a Yozi slap bang in the middle of Yu-Shan. Given their oaths, the consequences can't be good. And thirdly, even if he manages to subvert the above two, he then has an entire city of Sidereals and their guests to deal with. All in all, not a good idea.

He'll also have Ebon Dragon Pantheon Unfurling. So, I'm not sure what would happen if the Unconquered Sun got Fetish-Deathed as the Ebon Dragon.

EDIT: Actually, I don't think anything would happen, so long as he still had the ring on. He'd still have all the Ebon Dragon's charms. Huh...

[knightMARE]

Yeah, for some reason my ST wouldn't let me start with a list of things she hates. You know, the names of every specific mortal in Creation or something like that.

Well, if I was ST, I might have been sweet talked if you presented me a hand written list of every single mortal.

[Lochar]

I only need the first fifty or so for the rest to not matter. I could have come up with a viable list of things. :P

[Sanguine]

Yes. Although, while they have the ring on, they have an Urge to "Love, Honor, and Obey the Ebon Dragon". Which, you're now the Ebon Dragon. So, I'm not sure how much they'd want to do so.

Well Yozi Cosmic Principle Makes you lose all your other Charms. Including presumably his I get ten more successes then you Charm. That is a Charm right? Or is it an innate function of his virtues I can't remember. Well even if it's his virtues I'd still say he loses it because of the Ebon Dragon Charm that cuts away Virtues.

So then it's just a simple matter of a ridiculously high Larceny roll to steal the ring of his finger without him noticing. Now the question becomes does him having become the Ebon Dragon have any permanent repercussions? For an Exalt it obviously would as the moment they learn Cosmic Principle their Exaltation flies away.

He'll also have Ebon Dragon Pantheon Unfurling. So, I'm not sure what would happen if the Unconquered Sun got Fetish-Deathed as the Ebon Dragon.

That is an interesting question.

[Mr.Bookworm]

There's a statement by hatewheel or Holden I'll try to find to the effect that if you take a Charm that changes your base nature, you can't lose it by any means.

So if TUS puts on the Wedding Band, he'll turn into the Ebon Dragon. Permanently.

Yes. Although, while they have the ring on, they have an Urge to "Love, Honor, and Obey the Ebon Dragon". Which, you're now the Ebon Dragon. So, I'm not sure how much they'd want to do so.

The Yozis are already one big circle self-jerk, so not much?

[Xefas]

Well Yozi Cosmic Principle Makes you lose all your other Charms. Including presumably his I get ten more successes then you Charm. That is a Charm right? Or is it an innate function of his virtues I can't remember. Well even if it's his virtues I'd still say he loses it because of the Ebon Dragon Charm that cuts away Virtues.

I think its his godly panoply. Which, no longer being a god, I don't think he'd have.

So if TUS puts on the Wedding Band, he'll turn into the Ebon Dragon. Permanently.

If this is true, it eliminates a lot of interesting questions. But raises a few more.

[TheCountAlucard]

Also, you can't remove it without removing the finger, IIRC.

[Cyborg Mage]

Yes, but what's one finger against the whole of Creation? He's got ninteen more. And, being the Unconquered Sun and all, he can probably grow it back or something...

[Lochar]

And if he goes into his thirty-two armed form, he's still got 159 left.

[Cyborg Mage]

Wait, he can do what now?

Also, this still needs a ST.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Wait, he can do what now?

Also, this still needs a ST.

Scroll of Errata adds a 32-armed final boss form for the Unconquered Sun, which he incidentally has to suppress his Temperance to use.

Also, the general consensus among the community (such as it were) is that Kyeudo's warstrider fix is rockin', right?