General Exalted Discussion IV: Roll Join Debate

[Tavar]

Yes, though there's surprisingly little testing that backs that up, at least from what I've heard. Still, I'm in a game that will be using it once we unlock our Zoids, and I'm running a gundam-inspired game using it, so that might change.

[Lochar]

Zords, not Zoids. Wrong genre.

But yes, we'll be stress testing those rules in another month or so, the way the game is going.

[SurlySeraph]

It is indeed rocking.

[Lochar]

New random thought:

The Ebon Dragon has been in the throws of Limit Break since they were locked into Malfeas, with no way to reduce it. So he has embarked on a grand scheme to play against his Torment Reducer, in hopes to break his Limit Break.

The entire Reclamation is solely built around the Ebon Dragon getting to marry the Scarlet Empress twice.

The fact that he gets to escape is just an added bonus.

[Sanguine]

Can you use an Act of Villiany to get yourself out of Limit Break prematurely?

[Kylarra]

Why wouldn't you use an Act of Villainy whenever possible?

[Lochar]

Doubtful, but the idea is still funny.

[Jokasti]

Isn't the Fetich of a Yozi still considered that Yozi, technically?
So the whole UCS becoming the ED isn't that big of a deal.

[Feriority]

Zords, not Zoids. Wrong genre.

Hmm... a Lunar warstrider game, you say? (Seriously. Totally thematic! My beast form is a gunsniper.)

[Sanguine]

Isn't the Fetich of a Yozi still considered that Yozi, technically?
So the whole UCS becoming the ED isn't that big of a deal.

Please note that the Unconquered Sun being TED's Fetich isn't Canon.

Also no they are not the same entity. He would become The Ebon Dragon in the way that the Brass Dancer is Malfeas or the Demon City is. A Fetich however is a much lesser creature, greater then the other souls true but lesser than the whole. This is made abundantly clear by the results of their respective deaths. If Ligier were to die Malfeas would continue as a living being even if one completely different from what he once was. If the Brass Dancer were to be slain however Malfeas would become a Neverborn.

[Yuki Akuma]

Isn't the Fetich of a Yozi still considered that Yozi, technically?
So the whole UCS becoming the ED isn't that big of a deal.

Uh. What?

The Unconquered Sun is a god, not a deva/demon.

[golentan]

Uh. What?

The Unconquered Sun is a god, not a deva/demon.

It's fanon in some circles (of which I personally approve), that based on the Unconquered Sun's creation myth and the way ED used his creation to define himself and come more properly into existence as it were that the Unconquered Sun is Ebby's Fetich Soul. This throws the rebellion into some new light, potentially explains why they didn't put Ebby through fetich death, etc. etc.

Edit: Also, there's very little mechanical difference between gods and demons.

[Lix Lorn]

Also no they are not the same entity. He would become The Ebon Dragon in the way that the Brass Dancer is Malfeas or the Demon City is. A Fetich however is a much lesser creature, greater then the other souls true but lesser than the whole. This is made abundantly clear by the results of their respective deaths. If Ligier were to die Malfeas would continue as a living being even if one completely different from what he once was. If the Brass Dancer were to be slain however Malfeas would become a Neverborn.

...huh. I thought Ligier was fetich. Ohwell.

[Tavar]

Liger is a Fetich. He's not a....Jouten(or however it's spelled), like both the demon city, or the Humanoid Brass Dancer.

[Lix Lorn]

...Oh. OH. Okay... I think I get it...

[SurlySeraph]

A fetich is a Primordial's most important soul. A jouten is a Primordial's actual body. Killing the fetich is like giving them severe brain damage, killing the jouten actually kills them.

[Sanguine]

A fetich is a Primordial's most important soul. A jouten is a Primordial's actual body. Killing the fetich is like giving them severe brain damage, killing the jouten actually kills them.

I'd say killing the Fetich is more like forcing the Doctor to regenerate. As Fetich Death doesn't necessarily make an inferior Primordial. In fact so long as at least one Green Sun Prince knows your Charms you can't be made inferior.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Fetich death doesn't necessarily make you lesser. It just changes you. What makes the Yozis less then they were is the oaths extracted from them and the rituals performed on them.

Fetich death is actually stated to be the only way to fix Autochthon's sickness, though given that they call it the fetich roulette, it's more than a bit of a gamble.

[Turalisj]

Actually Book... That gives me a good motivation for my Void Lord character... A sort of Anti-Villain. He knowingly infected himself with Gremlin Syndrome because it's the only way he can cure Autocthon. He wrote part of his memories, his motivation mainly, into an adamant core and had an ally hide it. When a specific time comes, he'll have the core implanted into him (or set up a Batman Gambit to have a bunch of Champions 'force' it into him) which will send an anti-virus through his body, purifying his Gremlin Syndrome. This will come only after he's slain Autocthon's Fetich soul.

It's crazy enough to work.

[Lochar]

Welcome to Exalted. That could never cause issues.

[Sanguine]

Actually Book... That gives me a good motivation for my Void Lord character... A sort of Anti-Villain. He knowingly infected himself with Gremlin Syndrome because it's the only way he can cure Autocthon. He wrote part of his memories, his motivation mainly, into an adamant core and had an ally hide it. When a specific time comes, he'll have the core implanted into him (or set up a Batman Gambit to have a bunch of Champions 'force' it into him) which will send an anti-virus through his body, purifying his Gremlin Syndrome. This will come only after he's slain Autocthon's Fetich soul.

It's crazy enough to work.

Problem. Autochthon's own magic, including that of his Chosen, can't cure Gremlin Syndrome as it's ultimately a symptom of his own disease. Aside from that very interesting concept.

[Yuki Akuma]

Of course as fetich death causes a Primordial to literally implode I doubt it would be very good for the people living in Autochthonia.

[Turalisj]

Well, wouldn't killing his Fetich soul cure everyone of Gremlin Syndrome? The adamant core would just be in case that reset doesn't keep his memories.

[tonberrian]

Well, wouldn't killing his Fetich soul cure everyone of Gremlin Syndrome? The adamant core would just be in case that reset doesn't keep his memories.

I've heard it said that Autochthon's got charms that not only keep his illness through Fetich Death, but even make it worse.

[Yuki Akuma]

Doesn't matter, fetich death erases all his charms and gives him a new set.

Primordials are made up entirely by their charms, and fetich death literally causes them to stop being who they used to be.

[Sanguine]

I've heard it said that Autochthon's got charms that not only keep his illness through Fetich Death, but even make it worse.

Who said this?

Well, wouldn't killing his Fetich soul cure everyone of Gremlin Syndrome? The adamant core would just be in case that reset doesn't keep his memories.

What Fetich Death does to people with Gremlin Syndrome is unclear. It would cure Autochthon and any his Soul Hierarchy of it, most likely. However others may or may not be cured.

[Yuki Akuma]

What Fetich Death does to people with Gremlin Syndrome is unclear. It would cure Autochthon and any his Soul Hierarchy of it, most likely. However others may or may not be cured.

Fetich death causes a Primordial's entire soul hierarchy to implode into him. None of his Third or Second circle souls would exist afterwards. He'd get a new set once he saved up enough motes to activate Autothchon Pantheon Unfurling.

[Sanguine]

Fetich death causes a Primordial's entire soul hierarchy to implode into him. None of his Third or Second circle souls would exist afterwards. He'd get a new set once he saved up enough motes to activate Autothchon Pantheon Unfurling.

Which is why it wouldn't have Gremlin Syndrome.

[Xefas]

I like to think Fetich Death would turn Autochthon into his nearly completely opposite. Which is to say, The Fonz. His only vestige of being the Great Maker would be akin to that one Adorjan Charm - "Fond Remembrance of Autochthon" which would allow him to punch broken objects until they start functioning again.

Also, I'm going to go turn that into a Malfeas Charm.

[Yuki Akuma]

The Fonz is actually a mechanic, though. Autothchon's exact opposite wouldn't have any technical ability.