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    what would be the ulitmate dmg build around a basterd sword. all fighter for all teh weapon feats

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    You want the highest damage with single-classed fighter with bastard swords?

    Hmm, getting Pounce for a pure fighter is a bit tricky, but one could try to argue for Psionic Tattoo of Psionic Lion's Charge working by RAW. Then just standard charger stuff should work okay.
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    Well you could go the shield based two-weapon fighting route with agile shield fighter, or you could use the bastard sword two-handed and do the standard power attack cheese.

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    also no tomb of battle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Well you could go the shield based two-weapon fighting route with agile shield fighter, or you could use the bastard sword two-handed and do the standard power attack cheese.
    considering he i asking for damage power attack is the way to go holding it with two hands.

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    Since you don't have Tome of Battle, you're best going two-handed with the Bastard Sword. Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Shock Trooper for charging. If you're stuck with straight fighter, you can spend feats on Weapon Focus, Weapon Spec, Melee Weapon Mastery (slashing) and eventually Weapon Supremacy.


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    Can you switch from a bastard sword to a greatsword?

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    Well with those restrictions you have very little past some charge feats to use. Leap attack + Power attack + Shock Trooper + Valorous weapon + Cleave + Great Cleave = if its within range and has less than your power attack mod x4 +str mod x2 in hit points it vaporizes.

    Shock Trooper is the key for max power attack for no to hit penalty. Just understand you are going to get hit a lot. Hence the next area to focus on.

    I would increase your attacks with either Karmic Strike or Rolibar's Gambit and Combat reflexes + Hold the line. Also you can increase your attack bonus on attacks of opportunity by 4 with a feat but the name escapes me.

    Hold the line + Karmic strike is a sick melee combo you get an attack as they charge you and you get another one if they hit. Also with max power attack you should out damage most things of equal lvl.

    Pounce would be awesome but other than playing odd races or a barbarian dip its hard to get on a fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiftmongoose View Post
    Can you switch from a bastard sword to a greatsword?
    The difference is fairly minimal, just 1.5 less damage.
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    Does it have to be all fighter, all the time? A level of barbarian, maybe one of exotic weapon master, would really help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodymango View Post
    what would be the ulitmate dmg build around a basterd sword. all fighter for all teh weapon feats
    How about this:

    Why don't you tell us the sources you have access to, and what you are trying to achieve, and we'll tell you the best way to do it?

    Like, "Deal lots of damage in melee via martial prowess with a big sword of some kind"

    and then you list the sources you have, and we'll tell you how best to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    The difference is fairly minimal, just 1.5 less damage.
    1.5 less damage, sure, but bastard sword also costs a feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiftmongoose View Post
    1.5 less damage, sure, but bastard sword also costs a feat.
    Not if you are fighting two handed. bastard sword is a two handed martial weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeeposFire View Post
    Not if you are fighting two handed. bastard sword is a two handed martial weapon.
    Oh yeah, forgot. And bastard sword is cheaper.

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    It is more of a fluff thing at this point. The damage difference is eventually so small that it is not a big deal which you choose (bastard swords have a small benefit that if you can't use one hand you can wield it in one hand for the standard -4 prof penalty rather than not being able to wield it at all while the greatsword does slightly more damage. Choices).

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    i ahve access to all books. i just dont like the stuff out of tome of battle

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    Does it have to be single classed? Does it have to be fighter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodymango View Post
    i ahve access to all books. i just dont like the stuff out of tome of battle
    Why is that? The Iron Heart Warblade arguably more closely simulates real world martial arts with a hand and a half sword than the Fighter does!
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    Why is that? The Iron Heart Warblade arguably more closely simulates real world martial arts with a hand and a half sword than the Fighter does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavinfoxx View Post
    Why is that? The Iron Heart Warblade arguably more closely simulates real world martial arts with a hand and a half sword than the Fighter does!
    As true as this is, just let him play what he wants.


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    As true as this is, just let him play what he wants.
    Or PM them/direct them to the existing ToB thread to explain to them why they are wrong debate and better understand their position.
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    Or PM them/direct them to the existing ToB thread to explain to them why they are wrong debate and better understand their position.
    If his reason is "I just don't like it," it's a debate on aesthetics, and as such won't go anywhere without exploding into another reason that anti-ToB people will use to say that ToB sucks.


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    I can let someone play a straight fighter, but I can't call such a character a "swordmaster".

    But hey, you can actually squeeze some damage even from TWF bastard swords if you want to. Weirder things have happened.
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    I'd really, strongly recommend Fighter 12/Ronin 8 to you, given your stated books and preferences for a heavy Fighter focus with a Bastard Sword. Bonzai Charge is fun and useful for your concept, and Ronin requires Bastard Sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeeposFire View Post
    considering he i asking for damage power attack is the way to go holding it with two hands.
    Yep, but with shield charge and shield slam from CW he gets a free trip attempt and daze attempt on a charge. Very feat intensive though.


    That would ofcourse then have nothing to do with bastard sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    I'd really, strongly recommend Fighter 12/Ronin 8 to you, given your stated books and preferences for a heavy Fighter focus with a Bastard Sword. Bonzai Charge is fun and useful for your concept, and Ronin requires Bastard Sword.
    Yeah, ronin is one of my favorite prestige classes, if only for bonzai charge.

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    Bonzai charge is a charge that's artificially prevented from reaching it's normal size, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
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    As true as this is, just let him play what he wants.
    This is a big part of the beef some people have with ToB - more than any other supplement, splatbook or alternate system, many people feel that others need to justify why they don't use it. My usual list of exclusions in build requests includes no ToB, MoI, psionics, FR or Eberron specific, or Dragon Mag. You know the only one that ever gets questioned regularly? You guessed it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    My usual list of exclusions in build requests includes no ToB, MoI, psionics, FR or Eberron specific, or Dragon Mag. You know the only one that ever gets questioned regularly?
    Why no psionics, they're awesome, and much better balanced than vancian casting.

    MoI gets a pass since people seem to find it hard to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenish View Post
    Bonzai charge is a charge that's artificially prevented from reaching it's normal size, right?
    What? I don't remember exactly, and I'm too lazy to go upstairs and get the book, but I think, in addition to the normal charge bonuses and penalties, you can subtract a number from your AC, and add that to your damage if you hit.

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