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    They don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Akuma View Post
    They don't.

    DBs can wipe the floors with Raksha.
    Fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volt View Post
    So I was reading through the book that has details on the Fair Folk, and I was curious. How do they stack up against Exalts (as in, are they Terrestrial-level power, or Celestial, that kinda thing)?
    Varies wildly whether they're inside or outside of the Wyld. There are also several tiers of Fair Folk, which I believe are Commoner, Noble, Unshaped, and Ishvara. The last of which are supposedly Solar-tier.

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    Unshaped can't actually enter Creation, though. So any Fair Folk you meet in Creation is open to floor-wiping...

    In the Wyld, well, the DB is at a bit of a disadvantage, but in the Wyld his Holy charms work on them (shaped Raksha are not Creatures of Darkness).
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    Also whether or not meschlum had a hand in their creation.

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    By the way, have you all read Luna's Guide to Surviving Creation? Because you really should. Luna's awesome. It's a shame that the Luna images seem to be broken, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonberrian View Post
    By the way, have you all read Luna's Guide to Surviving Creation? Because you really should. Luna's awesome. It's a shame that the Luna images seem to be broken, though.
    I saw 'tonberrian' and 'Luna' and 'Creation' and thought this was an MLP crossover. Now I am sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lix Lorn View Post
    I saw 'tonberrian' and 'Luna' and 'Creation' and thought this was an MLP crossover. Now I am sad.
    On the one hand, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that ponies thought I was so prolific as a brony.

    On the other hand, you should still read it. Luna (the Incarnae) is absolutely a joy to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonberrian View Post
    By the way, have you all read Luna's Guide to Surviving Creation? Because you really should. Luna's awesome. It's a shame that the Luna images seem to be broken, though.
    No, I hadn't. Reading it now, though.

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    It's fine, I'm just weird.
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    One gem stands out as particularly Lix-worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonberrian View Post
    One gem stands out as particularly Lix-worthy.
    ...yep, you convinced me.
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    I... I want to play a Raksha now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indon View Post
    So, the artifact counts as a tutor for the charms in its' style? I think that's entirely reasonable, and frankly not even a 5-dot benefit unless it does something crazy like initiate you to a higher martial arts level to be able to use the style.
    Well, not exactly.First, it's not just a tutor, it's a style that cannot be used without it. And also, it would preferably be somewhere between TMAs and CMAs, while still being usable by even a mortal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragnar View Post
    Well, not exactly.First, it's not just a tutor, it's a style that cannot be used without it. And also, it would preferably be somewhere between TMAs and CMAs, while still being usable by even a mortal.
    I'd say make it a solid CMA. A 5-dotter that allows mortals use of a single CMA is appropriate power-wise.

    From there, make it an awesome style.

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    I'd say make it a solid CMA. A 5-dotter that allows mortals use of a single CMA is appropriate power-wise.

    From there, make it an awesome style.
    God no. This breaks the setting. Horribly.

    An artifact that allows a mortal to learn CMA would be a unique, N/A artifact, and probably shouldn't exist at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    God no. This breaks the setting. Horribly.
    Oh, c'mon, mortals can already learn Primordial charms. And they don't even have to spend bonus points on attaining that capacity. Hell, they get experience for it.

    Trololol, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    God no. This breaks the setting. Horribly.

    An artifact that allows a mortal to learn CMA would be a unique, N/A artifact, and probably shouldn't exist at all.
    Meanwhile, an artifact that lets a mortal exert severe control over an unlimited number of people, including exalts, is totally canon and in fact a major part of the setting.

    I'm not saying that I like the Perfect, but he's there.

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    For those of you who haven't noticed, the new Test of Spite has an Exalted component. So far, there's been one fight, and having more would be great to have more Exalted ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xefas View Post
    Oh, c'mon, mortals can already learn Primordial charms. And they don't even have to spend bonus points on attaining that capacity. Hell, they get experience for it.

    Trololol, and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManSleeping View Post
    Meanwhile, an artifact that lets a mortal exert severe control over an unlimited number of people, including exalts, is totally canon and in fact a major part of the setting.

    I'm not saying that I like the Perfect, but he's there.
    Said artifact is N/A, unique, has several restrictions, and most importantly, does not just provide raw power.

    The Perfect got where he is because he used the Rod's capabilities in a smart, intelligent manner. He didn't just gain the ability to learn CMAs and start beating up Dragon-Bloods.
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    A N/A artifact that lets them learn one, specific CMA isn't broken. Especially if they only have access to the charms while 'attached' to the artifact.
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    Consider that there's already a lesser version: the War Devil's Skull enlightens a mortal's Essence and teaches them TMAs. Sure, there's the downside of it eventually making you a slave to it, and then turning your body into a fleshy portal for Octavian to emerge into Creation, but hey, everything's got a price.

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    Why is a five dot artifact that lets a mortal learn a CMA totally broken again? Aren't some sidereals teaching a DB SMA? How is this so different? And even if it was, how does it break the setting?

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    It's different because DBs explode if they ever try to use SMA charms.

    Also, Exalts specifically should be able to enlighten lesser beings (Solars can let mortals learn Solar charms and can awaken their essence to learning TMA and sorcery). Artifacts aren't Exalts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tael View Post
    Why is a five dot artifact that lets a mortal learn a CMA totally broken again? Aren't some sidereals teaching a DB SMA? How is this so different? And even if it was, how does it break the setting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Akuma View Post
    It's different because DBs explode if they ever try to use SMA charms.

    Also, Exalts specifically should be able to enlighten lesser beings (Solars can let mortals learn Solar charms and can awaken their essence to learning TMA and sorcery). Artifacts aren't Exalts.
    No, but they're made by exalts and way more resource intensive than most exalted methods of granting enlightenment and celestial level charms. So I don't think an artifact which grants a CMA to a mortal is broken, but I'm not sure what artifact level it should require (most certainly 5 dot or NA). Besides, their kung fu won't stop the first exalt who comes across them yoinking it if they're so inclined. As long as it doesn't grant a whole charm tree to exalts, it doesn't break the setting. Just any heroic mortal game it shows up in.
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    CMA or not, mortals still face a lot of restrictions. Sucky Essence pool, no Excellencies, and no Combos. They will still get whupped by an Essence 2 Dragon-Blood, if that DB happens to specialize in fighting.

    It's still a powerful artifact, but it will not break the setting.

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    Okay. Back in the First Age, we have an elder Solar Twilighter McTwilightson. He's specialized in crafting, and has a few War charms.

    Twilighter gets a good production line going, and starts churning these out. Let's say he can make 10 of them per year (conservative estimate, really), and that he does this for a century. 1000 of these things.

    He then takes a bunch of mortals and trains them into badass kung-fu superwarriors, because War charms do that.

    Twilighter then gives 1000 of these to the mortals. Guess what that looks like.

    This is one Twilight.

    Broken.

    Also: Boring. A mortal martial arts genius that has lived for a century realizing the Stem of the Perfected Lotus with his final breath is cool. Having your Twilight buddy make an artifact that gives it to you is not. Artifact 5s should be incredibly cool wonders, not straight-up stat boosters.

    Also also: Quite frankly, no, mortals do not get nice things. That's a pretty core tenet of the setting.
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    One Twilight can, in much less time, make enough protoshinmaic vortexes to fully obliterate Creation. One Twilight can, in much less time, release the Kukla. There are far too many things that can be done in the game (especially by Twilights) which are only prevented by a good ST saying "shenanigans-no". It's best to remember that, for the most part, a good artifact is unique. Really, in the First Age, that Twilight has more practical uses of his time. First Age Dragon-bloods will always be better than mortals, even enlightened mortals with CMA, Tiger Warrior Training, and magitech armor. The only reason for a Twilight to make even ONE of these is going to be a unique and interesting reason. If it's not, you have more problems than simply having a mechanic that isn't allowed in the initial setting concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    Twilighter then gives 1000 of these to the mortals. Guess what that looks like.

    This is one Twilight.
    Meanwhile, another Twilight spent the century sipping celestial wine. He sends one of the extant armies of tens of thousands of DB's, most with legendary breeding, to steamroll him.

    Or, alternately, tens of thousands of mortal Gunzosha warriors, as that power armor is Artifact what, 3?

    The First Age is not a good setting to measure artifact powerlevels in any case, if you ask me.

    Though, it does occur to me that requiring a hearthstone to power its' more exotic capabilities would be an appropriate drawback as a 5-dot artifact.

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