D&D Demotivators level IV: Ability Increase

[Yora]

Except that the description for Maximize Spell says that it does not work that way.
I assume the same is mentioned in the description of Empower Spell.

[Xan_Kriegor]

According to PHB 3.5: Maximized Spell gives the highest possible die result. Empowered Spell adds half the die result to the final result. An Empowered Maximized Fireball by a level 10 caster would therefore be 10d6 (Maximized=60 automatic) plus half of the die result (30). Final resulting damage: 90.

From the SRD:

Maximize Spell [Metamagic]

Benefit
All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are maximized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. A maximized spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell’s actual level.

An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus one-half the normally rolled result.

Bolding emphasis mine.

And for the maximized/empowered/intensified debate:

Intensify Spell [Metamagic][Epic]

Prerequisites
Empower Spell, Maximize Spell, Spellcraft 30 ranks, ability to cast 9th-level arcane or divine spells.

Benefit
All variable, numeric effects of an intensified spell are maximized, then doubled. An intensified spell deals twice maximum damage, cures twice the maximum number of hit points, affects twice the maximum number of targets, and so forth, as appropriate. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected. An intensified spell uses up a spell slot seven levels higher than the spell’s actual level. You can’t combine the effects of this feat with any other feat that affects the variable, numeric effects of a spell.

Emphasis again mine. You just need intensified, but it does sound cooler if you say the others too.

[Radar]

According to PHB 3.5: Maximized Spell gives the highest possible die result. Empowered Spell adds half the die result to the final result. An Empowered Maximized Fireball by a level 10 caster would therefore be 10d6 (Maximized=60 automatic) plus half of the die result (30). Final resulting damage: 90.

From SRD: An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus one-half the normally rolled result.

Emphasis on normally rolled result.

edit: failed my save against ninjas.

[AngelSword]

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[Winds]

I only needed that disproved once. But thanks so much for ganging up on me over a calculation of numbers based on someone else's equation. I do so appreciate it.

[randomhero00]

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my own

[Yora]

When in doubt, set something on fire.

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[TheGeckoKing]

More motivators! The King demands MORE!

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[Hiro Protagonest]

More motivators! The King demands MORE!

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Okay, now I REALLY want that game.

[Marnath]

More motivators! The King demands MORE!

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Do you by chance have the source picture? Tineye.com can't find it.

[Kuma Kode]

I am an endless font of cute animal pictures.

Challenge:

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Non-Challenge:

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[Doorhandle]

Hm, weird. I was certain I had read somewhere Empowered and Maximized couldn't be done on the same spell, even though at first I thought they could. Guess I was originally right after all.

Then again, the way I worded my last post I wasn't saying Empowered and Maximized don't work together, they just don't work with Intensified. (Maybe that's where I got the above stuff from.) [/morenitpicking]

huh... according to Pathfinder rules, all Intensified does is increase the maximum amount of damage die by 5 levels... so wouldn't it still work with having an empowered, maximized spell?

edit:I guess the problem was caused by the fact we're not even playing the same game... *facepalm*

[Urpriest]

huh... according to pathfinder, all Intensified does is increase the maximumn amount of damage die by 5 levels... so wouldn't it still work with having an empowerd, maximised spell?

Pre-Pathfinder it was an epic feat that maximizes and doubles. Source.

[Volthawk]

huh... according to Pathfinder rules, all Intensified does is increase the maximumn amount of damage die by 5 levels... so wouldn't it still work with having an empowerd, maximised spell?

I guess the problem was caused by the fact we're not even playing the same game... *facepalm*

In 3.5, that effect is done by Enhance Spell, another epic metamagic, but that increases it by 10 (or 5 if it's CL/2 dice of damage).

[Morph Bark]

huh... according to Pathfinder rules, all Intensified does is increase the maximum amount of damage die by 5 levels... so wouldn't it still work with having an empowered, maximized spell?

edit:I guess the problem was caused by the fact we're not even playing the same game... *facepalm*

Does the Pathfinder Intensify also remove the cap? (Or at least up it by 5 if necessary?)

[Doorhandle]

I don't think intensified spell is even an epic feat any more, You just need to have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum that can be used when casting the spell.

Have a look here if you want all the info on the pathfinder feats. This is just for the advanced rules though, so you might want to check out the base feats as well on the sidebar.


edit:And to keep this moving...

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[Shadowknight12]

It seems I need to quote myself.

Specially made for this thread:

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[Lonely Tylenol]

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED... Sort of.

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[Chambers]

Challenge Accepted.

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[MightyPirate]

Challenge Accepted:

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Also:

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[Radar]

When in doubt, set something on fire.

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I remember this character from a specific game, which name I forgot. Could you help me with that?

[Kuma Kode]

Mirror's Edge.

[Yora]

The game for monkey people on speed.

[Saintheart]

I accept the challenge!

Slight variation on the standard...

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Taking it literally...

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[The Tygre]

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That is all.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Put that in spoilers. It's screen stretching.

Fixed.

[TheGeckoKing]

Do you by chance have the source picture? Tineye.com can't find it.

I do indeed have the source picture.

Also, I have more demotivators! Woooooo!

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[Marnath]

I do indeed have the source picture.

Thanks! That'll make a nice desktop wallpaper.

[zyborg]

Okay, challenge taken...

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[Foeofthelance]

I shall meet your challenge!

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