Bombs Away - Heat 1 Underway

[Khal]

Fire at I7, I8, then move 1 square left.

[banjo1985]

Excellent, 10/12 actions in, just waiting for Fleeing Coward and Supagoof.

Bobby Archer

Just to be clear, range for bombs is measured from where the player started their turn, correct?

Indeed, bomb ranges are from where you begin the turn. I'll clarify this in the OP. Please carry on picking out areas which aren't clear, that's what a test game is for!

[Fleeing Coward]

I'll fire at J8 then move 2 squares to my left

[Supagoof]

I'll fire at E9 & E10 and Move 1 square down.

[banjo1985]

Turn 1 Over!

Zar Peter fragged Elder Tsofu! Zar Peter received Dragon Breath!

Khal fragged Billtodamax! Khal got Machine Gun Bombs!

Elder Tsofu and Billtodamax respawn!

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{table]Player|Ability|Frags|Deaths|Upgrades
Lord Loss|Sniper Bombs|0|0
Zar Peter|I'm Bruce Lee!|1|0|Dragon Breath
Fleeing Coward|Run Like Hell|0|0
Supagoof|Cluster Bombs|0|0
TigerFang|Sniper Bombs|0|0
Khal|Cluster Bombs|1|0|Machine Gun Bombs
Elder Tsofu|Run Like Hell|0|1
Billtodamax|Sniper Bombs|0|1
Otakuryoga|Cluster Bombs|0|0
Bobby Archer|Cluster Bombs|0|0[/table]

Turn 2 begins now and ends on Friday, or as soon as I have all actions in

[billtodamax]

Move diagonally down and right, fire at B1.

[TigerFang]

Purge D9 of infidels err I mean fire and move down one.

[Khal]

Fire at e2, e3, f3, then move down 1, if you please.

[otakuryoga]

fire at f5,f6
move down/left

ahhhh, dragon breath..the fire and die move(since everyone knows where you are when you use it)

[Bobby Archer]

ahhhh, dragon breath..the fire and die move(since everyone knows where you are when you use it)

Not quite as definitive as I'm Bruce Lee, which is essentially the revenge kill special as your victim will know exactly where you are.

[Supagoof]

Fire E8 & E7, move one square left.

[otakuryoga]

yes but with dragon breath EVERYONE knows where you are and the bombs fall like rain

[Bobby Archer]

yes but with dragon breath EVERYONE knows where you are and the bombs fall like rain

I don't see why. All the user has to do is say they're using dragon breath. Since it's based entirely off your current location and doesn't need any more input, there's no reason to say, "I'm using Dragon Breathe on all the squares around B8." The only ones who would know where it was sued were people killed by it, and they would just know that someone standing next to them fired it off.

[banjo1985]

Pretty much what Bobby said. If you have Dragon Breath, all you have to do is say you're using it, so the only player who will know where you started that turn is the person you fragged. They then have to respawn and take a guess at where you've moved to, so it only really identifies someones general location, rather than their exact square.

As for the Bruce Lee power, the person you kill will know the exact square their attacker is on, as it works at the end of the turn rather than the beginning, which is a problem. Maybe I should say it works if you start the turn on the same square as someone else, rather than the end?

[Zar Peter]

Move diagonally down left
Dragon Breath.

Let's see how it's working

[Elder Tsofu]

*shakes fist angrily at Zar Peter*
Bombs away on E5, move two left.

Now you're gonna get it.

[Bobby Archer]

Pretty much what Bobby said. If you have Dragon Breath, all you have to do is say you're using it, so the only player who will know where you started that turn is the person you fragged. They then have to respawn and take a guess at where you've moved to, so it only really identifies someones general location, rather than their exact square.

As for the Bruce Lee power, the person you kill will know the exact square their attacker is on, as it works at the end of the turn rather than the beginning, which is a problem. Maybe I should say it works if you start the turn on the same square as someone else, rather than the end?

I don't think it matters which situation it keys on. The point is that the victim knows exactly where Bruce Lee is as of a specific point in time. And, because all movement is in the open, the victim can then track their killer for as long as they need to get in range.

Example: Let's say it works based on where you start the turn. Bruce Lee and Vic Tim both begin their turn on the same square: D3. In that turn, Bruce Lee fires at square D6 and moves right. In the end of round wrap up, Bruce Lee is reported to have killed Vic Tim. Since Vic knew he wasn't standing where Bruce had shot, he knows that he was killed by Bruce's special power, and therefore, that Bruce was, at the beginning of the tur,n on square D3, because that's where Vic was. He can now track Bruce's movements one to the right to D4. While Bruce is still as invisible as he ever was to the rest of the game, he is now fully visible to Vic.

One way to work around this would be to institute a random delay on a Bruce Lee attack, say 1d4-1 rounds (where 0 rounds means instant application). That way, a victim of Bruce Lee can't know for sure what square he was on when he was hit and, while it will narrow Bruce's location down a bit, it doesn't leave him fully visible.

Of course, this does wind up having the action of making a Bruce Lee kill possibly worthless in the late game as another player may hit 5 frags between the attack and the frag, even if the Bruce Lee frag would have put its player over first.

In the end, I think this power needs the most attention to balancing as it's fairly rare that it will pay out, but hurts the player in almost equal measure if it does. Compared to Sniper bombs, which is essentially a no-downside power that almost lets a player predator-cloak if they play it right, it's vastly underpowered.

[Deathslayer7]

Actually with the Bruce Lee what you could do is that upon a successful frag, he is randomly teleported to a new unoccupied square on the grid?

Or say a square within 4 squares of him that isn't occupied.

Something along those lines. But yeah, I agree with Bobby Archer, Bruce Lee is at the most disadvantage at the moment.

Also, I'l sign up for the next game.

[Bobby Archer]

Actually with the Bruce Lee what you could do is that upon a successful frag, he is randomly teleported to a new unoccupied square on the grid?

Or say a square within 4 squares of him that isn't occupied.

That could work. The rarity of a Bruce Lee kill could keep the teleporting from being overpowered. That's assuming it is rare. For all I know, half the game's sharing squares.

[otakuryoga]

im assuming of course it shows up....i.e. these squares were hit by dragons breath and a list of em....if its invisible dragon breath that changes things...

[Bobby Archer]

I'll bomb F8 and G9, then just curl up on the floor and die.

[Fleeing Coward]

Fire at H8 and 2 squares to my right

[banjo1985]

Turn 2 Over!

Zar Peter fragged Otakuryoga! Zar Peter got the Super Bombing Arm!

Supagoof fragged Bobby Archer! Supagoof got a Steel Codpiece!

Otakuryoga and Bobby Archer respawn!

Lord Loss stands around like a lemon!

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{table]Player|Ability|Frags|Deaths|Upgrades
Lord Loss|Sniper Bombs|0|0
Zar Peter|I'm Bruce Lee!|2|0|Dragon Breath, Super Bombing Arm
Fleeing Coward|Run Like Hell|0|0
Supagoof|Cluster Bombs|1|0| Steel Codpiece
TigerFang|Sniper Bombs|0|0
Khal|Cluster Bombs|1|0|Machine Gun Bombs
Elder Tsofu|Run Like Hell|0|1
Billtodamax|Sniper Bombs|0|1
Otakuryoga|Cluster Bombs|0|1
Bobby Archer|Cluster Bombs|0|1[/table]

Turn 3 begins now and ends on Sunday, or as soon as I have all actions in

Otakuryoga, that answers the Dragon Breath question I guess, You now know that ZP was adjacent to you, but not exactly where.

Deathslayer agreed about Bruce Lee, I think a teleport after each kill would make sense and balance it somewhat. The next game will definitely have this included.

As far as next games go, I've submitted Heat 2 of Bombs Away for mod approval a few days ago, for which I'll be implementing these suggestions. If it takes off I might set up a league table, different maps, killing spree's, capture the flag and stuff for multiple games, but we'll see!

[Zar Peter]

Move 1 down
Shoot at H6

So far Bruce Lee seems to be overpowered .
But it could also be because I was born on a Sunday.

[Fleeing Coward]

Fire at H7 and 2 squares to the left again

[billtodamax]

Move down and Right, fire at A1.

[TigerFang]

Shoot at 6I and move to the left.

[Bobby Archer]

I'll move down 1 and fire at H5 and I5

[Khal]

One down and left, Hitting d3, d4, d5.

[Elder Tsofu]

Move 1 down
Shoot at H6

So far Bruce Lee seems to be overpowered .
But it could also be because I was born on a Sunday.

I'm also born on a Sunday, and YOU fragged me!

Bombs at J5 and two down.