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Thread: abjurant armor
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2012-03-25, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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abjurant armor
so...... does this ability apply to a single spell besides shield?
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2012-03-25, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Yes, (Greater) Luminous Armor from BoED works with the ability.
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2012-03-25, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
The spell has to grant a shield or armour bonus to AC. Protection from [blah] grants a deflection bonus.
"They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2012-03-25, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Last edited by Siosilvar; 2012-03-25 at 12:05 PM.
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2012-03-25, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
There is another one in SpC that gives a shield bonus -- Night Shield, IIRC.
The designer evidently thought Mage Armor was an abjuration spell, if the sample character is any indication.Dex
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2012-03-25, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
"They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
- The Flying Kipper
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2012-03-25, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Nightshield just gives you a bonus to saves, and it blocks Magic Missiles.
Spell Compendium has Ectoplasmic Armor, but it only applies to incorporeal touch attacks, every other type of attack in existence gets to completely ignore it.
Luminous Armor and Greater Luminous Armor from BoED are exactly what you're looking for. They're both extremely good, you can get a Rod of Bodily Restoration (MIC) to fix the Str damage sacrifice, and the additional -4 to opponents' melee attacks they impose is just amazing. You have to be good/exalted (depending on interpretation) to use them, and you have to be able to prepare spells, but it's definitely worth it.
If you're looking for something to boost (Greater) Mage Armor, a dip into Paragnostic Apostle from Complete Champion for their Mind Over Matter ability is probably the only class feature that will help.
Keep in mind, you can technically use Magic Vestment to grant an Enhancement bonus to your current Armor or Shield bonus, even if that's granted by another spell.
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2012-03-25, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Repelling shield (CM) is also affected - it's a third level wiz/sorc spell that's Abjuration [force] and grant a shield bonus.
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2012-03-25, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
One of the Dragonlance books also has the Time Shield spell, which is basically a stronger, 2nd level shield spell.
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2012-03-25, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Despite the apparent intention being for the ability to work with the Mage Armor spells they specifically errata'd that out.
This does leave the Deflect line of spells from PHB2 as viable options despite their annoying duration.
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2012-03-25, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Maybe I'm misremembering the duration and casting time grossly, but what I remember is that they're immediate actions and so compete directly with your swift action for the next round or use it up on your turn and have a 1 round duration, so you're not even trading an action now for having those actions free later, it's a constant choice and constant drain on spells, even if one is high enough level to afford it, there's other spells that this would preclude that one would either want as a matter of course or depending upon individual build.
Gishes, and casters in general, generally have something else they want to be doing with their swift action other than giving themselves some AC when they've already got things to give themselves miss chances and AC.
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2012-03-25, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
There's a few others, from a few Faerun splat books like Lost Empires of Faerun that all provide shield bonuses, with maybe something else.
The last time I remember this coming up, aside from swift shield, I think only the core shield spell was deemed worthwhile.
At least for shield bonuses.
For armor bonuses: Luminous armor. Mage armor researched as abjuration. And that's about it.
Trying to remember if Scintillating scales was especially useful. (Armor to touch AC. or just natural armor to touch AC?)
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2012-03-25, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Probably. At least compared to any other melee character.
Deflection, shield, dodge, luck, morale, sacred/profane, armor...
Someone getting +5AC to each of those, beyond what the spells already provide would be pretty ridiculous.
And what if you've got two different sources of say Dodge bonuses? Dodge bonuses stack (even if others of same type don't), so the abjurant armor bonus would stack for those as well.
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2012-03-25, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
It seems to be an oversight, but it could be an editing decision. AC does seem to be a fairly solid class, and +5 AC is reasonably good as it is.
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2012-03-25, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Sorry, but as the name suggests it's a deflection bonus, not a shield or armor bonus. Even if it was worth it action-wise, it still wouldn't get the bonus from the class. Lame, I know.
The luminous armor is awesome, but the player I'm helping out doesn't want to be wearing glowing armor all the time (I can understand this. I don't care for spells that make the character look too outlandish or ridicules).
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2012-03-25, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
If the player has an extra feat, Invisible Spell will do just what you want.
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2012-03-25, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 08:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
I know 'Mage Armor' specifically doesn't work by the book, but I was able to get my DM to houserule that it it works for the duration improvement but not for the AC bonus. It Felt like a fair compromise to me.
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2012-03-25, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2012-03-25, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 11:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: abjurant armor
Yeah, not so much ironic as this...
With a limited number of spells for it to work with and me not wanting to play an exalted character (seriously...never) to take advantage of Luminous Armor an all day casting of Mage Armor is not too shabby. I wasn't trying to say it's the best option just getting something out of a poorly thought out ability.
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2012-03-28, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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