General Exalted Discussion VI: Ascendancy Mantle of the Playground

[Volthawk]

There is another difference, though. Alchemicals are reliant on part of humanity for their charms and such. The same can't be said for Creation-exalts.

And the fact the role Alchemicals are in is one that serves the rest of humanity in Autochtonia, while Creation-Exalts are all supposed to be above mortals in the hierarchy.

[Tavar]

And the fact the role Alchemicals are in is one that serves the rest of humanity in Autochtonia, while Creation-Exalts are all supposed to be above mortals in the hierarchy.

That would be the whole mandate of heaven thing, though.

[golentan]

Yeah, but that's at least partly because it's enforced on them by the curiosities of the alchemical condition and because alchemicals who try to bypass that system wind up having suspicious accidents which cannot possibly be attributed to the clearly non-existent Adamant caste.

There was a Cabal of alchemicals who tried to rule early on and all wound up dead, and one of the first Alchemicals had solar memories and thought that he could run Autochthonia the same way.

[Turalisj]

So we need to make an exalt type in Creation that resonates with Adamant.

[Qaera]

So we need to make an exalt type in Creation that resonates with Adamant.

Nocturnals, duh. They're really awesome.


Also, if anyone here is on G+ there's a pretty cool community there already, and TDO posts some cool stuff every now and then.

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[golentan]

I personally like to suggest whoever's responsible for the Oversight Committee, but I wish they were more proactive. Unless they're behind the Usurpation and/or some other celestial deaths which have never really had adequate explanation.

I do have to admit the idea that the sidereals are somebody else's puppets really appeals.

Also, people keep referencing nocturnals but I haven't read the fan supplement. Anyone willing to give me a rundown of the highlights?

[Turalisj]

Jailers of the Underworld.

[Qaera]

I personally like to suggest whoever's responsible for the Oversight Committee, but I wish they were more proactive. Unless they're behind the Usurpation and/or some other celestial deaths which have never really had adequate explanation.

I do have to admit the idea that the sidereals are somebody else's puppets really appeals.

Also, people keep referencing nocturnals but I haven't read the fan supplement. Anyone willing to give me a rundown of the highlights?

Basically, Nox was a casualty before the Primordial War because the other Incarnae were unsure which side he would take. Autochthon placed the Curse of Subservience on the Nocturnals, transforming the Heralds into the Harlequins. There are still some Heralds left that don't have the curse, but they are meant to be NPCs. They have Attribute based charms like Lunars and Alchemicals, and some really awesome charms. They also get Fluctuations, which are shaping effects.

There's also really awesome fluff on the Firmament (the sky) and the Kalpa, which is the collection of all Manvantaras, which are alternate realities.

Basically, really sweet. Take the time to read it.

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Jailers of the Underworld.

No, not really, at all, seeing as they were creating pre-PW and have no themes of death, or anything related to the Underworld.

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[DeadManSleeping]

So we need to make an exalt type in Creation that resonates with Adamant.

Why?

Seriously, what's the point? Adamant is useful as a magic-conducting clear material. No need to do more with it.

[Tavar]

Why?

Seriously, what's the point? Adamant is useful as a magic-conducting clear material. No need to do more with it.

The discussion was why, in many ways, Autochthon's Exalts are more stable than others. One of the big reasons is that they aren't, really, but that they have a secret police exalt type that watches over them; the Adamant caste. Thus, one thing to help Creations exalts would be to make an analog to the adamant caste.

[Turalisj]

Why?

Seriously, what's the point? Adamant is useful as a magic-conducting clear material. No need to do more with it.

Did you read the quote chain that the post is in reply to? If not, go back and read it...

[Gensh]

So we need to make an exalt type in Creation that resonates with Adamant.

Still waiting on that Gossamer type, too.

[DeadManSleeping]

Did you read the quote chain that the post is in reply to? If not, go back and read it...

Okay.

Nope, your post still doesn't really carry as a logical extension. Maybe if you meant 'Creation needs a Caste of Exalts to police the other Exalts', but that's not what you said.

Fun fact: That was kind of what the Sidereals were supposed to do. Thus 'Viziers'. Look how that turned out.

It's possible that, if the Exalts started at a position subservient to mortals, the policing would work, but they didn't. And it'd take something way more catastrophic than the Usurpation to change it around.

Which, I suppose, is certainly ONE possible outcome of the Locust Crusade.

[Tavar]

Still waiting on that Gossamer type, too.

That's Fair Folk. Well, kinda. But, Gossamer isn't a magical material, so I don't think it really counts.

Okay.

Nope, your post still doesn't really carry as a logical extension. Maybe if you meant 'Creation needs a Caste of Exalts to police the other Exalts', but that's not what you said.

Fun fact: That was kind of what the Sidereals were supposed to do. Thus 'Viziers'. Look how that turned out.

It's possible that, if the Exalts started at a position subservient to mortals, the policing would work, but they didn't. And it'd take something way more catastrophic than the Usurpation to change it around.

Which, I suppose, is certainly ONE possible outcome of the Locust Crusade.

Except it is a logical extension if you put it into place; the idea is that if Creation's Exalts were more like Autochthon's exalts, there wouldn't be as many problems. One of the issues identified was the creation ruling mandate, but another is that they have a whole caste of exalts who's primary purpose is to ride herd over the other castes. This caste resonates with Adamant. Thus, logically, saying Creation could use an adamant exalt makes some amount of sense.

Also, Sidereals aren't really meant to be the secret police. They're advisers, yes, but if you notice they're in a position subordinate to Solars. Adamant Caste Exalts aren't even in the same power structure as normal Alchemicals.

[Lix Lorn]

Why?

Seriously, what's the point? Adamant is useful as a magic-conducting clear material. No need to do more with it.

...because it's a plot hook?
Because it could be cool?
Because we crave patterns, and leaving a magical material without an exalt offends our sensibilities?

[DeadManSleeping]

...because it's a plot hook?

And we all know Creation lacks those. I mean, I'm sure there's at least a single entry SOMEWHERE in the entire Exalted canon that doesn't contain something that's supposed to be a plot hook. No, seriously, it gets annoying to read when you get to the end of a paragraph and it's all HEY LOOK AT THIS THING ISN'T IT AN INTERESTING LOOSE END WINK WINK

Sidereals were never placed officially in Creation's power structure. The US bound the Lunars to the Solars, and Gaia stuck the DBs under them, but the Maidens gave the Sidereals their own thing to do. They work on a different plane of existence, even. Perhaps their direction was more visible, but they were definitely not reporting to the rest of the Exalted. They have always reported to Fate.

[Tavar]

Except not; the Solars were superior to the Sidereals. The Sidereals were advisers to the Solars: it's noted in several sections that the only time a Sidereal was considered the master of a solar was if that Sidereal was teaching him or her Sidereal Martial Arts.

[Recaiden]

Ligier/Jacint for President 2012!

That sounds way more plausible than it should. We need to make that fic-political campaign happen.

Still waiting on that Gossamer type, too.

You mean the Raksha? They've already been written.

[Qaera]

That sounds way more plausible than it should. We need to make that fic-political campaign happen.

Start a PAC woot!

Also the Lunar Bond is being redid. Expect something else in 2.5!

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[DeadManSleeping]

Except not; the Solars were superior to the Sidereals. The Sidereals were advisers to the Solars: it's noted in several sections that the only time a Sidereal was considered the master of a solar was if that Sidereal was teaching him or her Sidereal Martial Arts.

Not having to obey someone's orders doesn't make you superior to them. In fact, it's a common result of not being in the same power structure.

[Xefas]

That sounds way more plausible than it should. We need to make that fic-political campaign happen.

"Ligier Greenson for 2012"?

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[Qaera]

"Vote for me, and you won't get Green Sun Nimbus Flared. That's not a guarantee."

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[TheCountAlucard]

"Vote for me, and you won't get Green Sun Nimbus Flared. That's not a guarantee."

Considering that it costs him a permanent dot of Willpower to use Green Sun Nimbus Flare for a scene, it actually is pretty much a guarantee.

[Tavar]

Not having to obey someone's orders doesn't make you superior to them. In fact, it's a common result of not being in the same power structure.

Again, pretty much all the material I've read puts the Sidereals as advisers to the Solars. Their job with fate was their own, but they were also subordinate to the Solar. Same as the Lunars and Dragon-blooded.

[Xefas]

Considering that it costs him a permanent dot of Willpower to use Green Sun Nimbus Flare for a scene, it actually is pretty much a guarantee.

Maybe he didn't mean the Malfeas charm. Maybe he meant the Green Sun literally flaring his nimbus at someone. It's a fine distinction, I guess.

[Guancyto]

I sort of figured he meant "I won't have a friendly neighborhood Infernal Green Sun Nimbus Flare you," what with voters (maybe) being in Creation and all.

[Turalisj]

Vote for me and I won't unleash my Infernal with Untamed Apocalypse Shintai.

[Recaiden]

Vote for me and I won't force you to look up the Mass Combat rules.

[Qaera]

I sort of figured he meant "I won't have a friendly neighborhood Infernal Green Sun Nimbus Flare you," what with voters (maybe) being in Creation and all.

Yeah, uh, this is what I was going for.

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[TheCountAlucard]

Maybe he didn't mean the Malfeas charm. Maybe he meant the Green Sun literally flaring his nimbus at someone. It's a fine distinction, I guess.

Yeah, uh, this is what I was going for.

Yeah, sure, that's why you used capitals, right? To indicate non-Charm terminology? Sure, okay.

My vote's with Recaiden, either way.