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Thread: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
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2011-07-26, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mass low-level healing, low ECL
I'm looking for a way for a pair of ECL 6 (maximum) characters to heal up to 300+ low-level mooks (5 HD tops) out of combat. The timeframe here is basically 1 day, i.e. a full complement of casting and a good night's rest. Is there anything I can check out besides Mass Lesser Vigor?
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2011-07-26, 10:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
A single level of dragon shaman will give you the Vigor aura, letting you grant fast healing 1, though only up to half maximum health. Should at least let you manage a great deal. Note: Many people will tell you you can pick this up with a feat, they are wrong. You could no more take this aura than a marshal aura by feat.
A single bard level will net you healing hymn at the cost of fascinate. It boosts healing spells and importantly, if used before rest counts as an extra full day of resting.
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2011-07-26, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Oh yeah, how could I forget? There's pretty much no way of optimizing that aura though, right?
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2011-07-26, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Clerics could check out Sacred Healing (the one in Complete Divine, not PHB2) for Fast Healing 3 on as many targets as you can cram in a 60 ft. burst.
Also, if you're looking at more "healing as many targets as possible in a day" as opposed to "heal as many targets as possible in a round", you could use Touch of Healing (Complete Champion) to heal people all day and never run out of spells (only up to half HP, though).
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2011-07-26, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Shy of taking more levels of dragon shaman which is a total waste. Assuming sufficient downtime fast healing one is plenty to do the job up to half; certainly out of combat.
If numbers are your problem the diffuse aura feat (I want to say fiendish codex II but don't quote me on that) doubles the range of your aura.
Other than that, mass healing ain't easy.
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2011-07-26, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
A 5th level Binder with the improved binding feat and Buer could heal 1hp/round all day long.
Dragon Shaman 1/Binder 5 would heal everyone within his aura to half health just by existing, while simultaneously healing one mook per round.
That comes out to an indeterminate amount of passive healing from the aura and 7,200 HP of active healing from Buer in a 12 hour work day.
Assuming 5 d10 HD, with an average of 47 HP (16 CON), and regaining to half HP from the aura before the Binder gets down to work, that comes out to ~300 mooks a day.
I just noticed that you allow two characters. That makes it even easier.
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2011-07-26, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Alternately, if a Binder won't do, try this:
A Druid 6 with 18 wisdom and the spontaneous rejuvenation class feature would be able to manage the following:
Sacrifice a spell to grant fast healing equal to the spell level to all allies in a 30' radius for 3 rounds.
A Druid 6 with 18 Wisdom gets 4 level 1 slots, 4 level 2 slots, and 3 level 3 slots. That's 63 healing per ally each day.
Since it's a 30 foot radius, that's 48 squares.
If you can fit one person in each 5' square, it's 3,024 points of healing.
If you can fit two people in each 5' square, it's 6,048 points of healing.
If you can fit three people in each 5' square, it's 9,072 points of healing.
And so on. Your only limit is how friendly your mooks are.
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2011-07-26, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Combining methods of natural healing may work for you. Note that topic would be thread necromancy to revive, but it's a good resource for this.
Particularly useful things include:
-Summon Elysian Thrush (Spell, Bard 2 / Cleric 2, SpC): Summons a bird that doubles natural healing
-Healing Hymn (ACF, Bard 1, CC): 8 hours of rest counts as 24 hours of bed rest
-Healthful Rest (Spell, Bard 1 / Cleric 1 / Druid 1, SpC): Doubles natural healing
-Restful Candle (Nonmagical item, AEG): Doubles natural healing rate, I think
-Bitterleaf Oil (Nonmagical item, RotD): Increases HP healed overnight by 1/level (max +5)
That's a pretty good overall combo, especially for healing an army of NPCs.Beginnings usually happen over trifles... even if it's a coincidence...
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2011-07-26, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
The problem with those however is that the thrush only manages a 30ft radius, and "healtful rest" only targets 6 things with ECL6
Dragon Shaman route is quicker than the Touch of healing route to the same end as it requries no actions and you can effect multiple targets at once.
Healing very large numbers of people beyond that is going to be very difficult and binder may well be your best choice for doing it in a manner that doesnt consume all your daily/financial resources.
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2011-07-26, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Kobold (RotD WE) Crusader6 with the Martial Spirit Stance and a large source of Trees (or whatever) can heal 10hp/round to any ally within 30'. Just watching the scaled guru do kung-fu will heal his milling followers.
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2011-07-26, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
And unfortunately is entirely questionable by the rules. If your Gm lets you get away with this however, this is fantastic and available in a weaker form right from crusader 1.
As an added bonus the kobold part is optional, make it a warforged Crusader 1 (maybe even one of your mooks) and he can punch those trees all day long.Last edited by Luca; 2011-07-26 at 02:46 PM.
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2011-07-26, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
According to the rules, it is fine. It is entirely questionable according to things like common sense and balance.
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2011-07-26, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
And requires trees to be statted as something you can punch, could you point me to their statblock, I can't find it.
-Edit, at the very least the second paragraph indicates you must be attacking "opponents"Last edited by Luca; 2011-07-26 at 02:52 PM.
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2011-07-26, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
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2011-07-26, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-26, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
One of the reasons. The other is that they have 3 natural weapons, allowing for 5 attacks per round. Combined with the strength penalty, he is unlikely to overcome DR (but a hit is a successful attack), and even if he does, 150hp/tree is going to take a while to go through.
Of course, if this is a marauding band of dwarves, then we don't need Kobold, but we might dip a level of Barbarian for Whirling Frenzy. And, in that case, invigorating the troops by killing those treacherous and vile trees, is like beer mixed with more beer.Dex
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2011-07-26, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-26, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
An alternate would be Binder 5 with Tenebrous instead of Buer. Use your rebukes 1/5 rounds to power a stream of Healing Devotions and give everyone in your army fast healing that they activate with their own swift actions whenever they need it. (see the description of Healing devotion in Complete Champion to get why this can get absurd.)
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2011-07-26, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
If you need the characters only for that, then the vivacious creature template (planar handbook i think) could work. If you want to use the characters for other things then its LA+5 would very much cripple you.
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2011-07-26, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
I forgot that Buer has a 1/ 5 round ability that heals 1d8 + Binder Level hitpoints.
If we're using DS 1/Binder 5, that's an average of 9.5 healing every five rounds, or 1.9 a round.
Assuming a 12 hour work day again, that takes your mook total from ~300 to around 570 per healer.
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2011-07-26, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Bearing in mind the Dragon shaman aura is hitting as many mooks as you can cram in 30ft (I think) as possible. Double if you can spare a feat.
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2011-07-26, 08:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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This might help. Hardly comprehensive, of course, but it should help.
EDIT: Damn, swordsaged with my own thread!Last edited by Zaq; 2011-07-26 at 08:45 PM.
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2011-07-26, 09:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-27, 03:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
I was thinking of that, but isn't the CD Sacred Healing updated and replaced by the PHB2 one?
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2011-07-27, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-27, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
You could fit more mooks in by buildingg a sphere with the Dragon Shaman at the middle so that you get mooks healed above and below you in addition to those at the same level of sea level as you.
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2011-07-27, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
Shape Soulmeld (Lifebond Vestments) feat. It allows you to heal up to 1/2 your HD to any target, once per hour (+5 points per point of essentia you can invest in the soulmeld, if you've got any). You take half of the healing (round up) in damage yourself, but it's a net gain in HP, especially if you've got an easy way of healing yourself.
Also, if you take the Draconic Aura feat from Dragon Magic (or was it Races of the Dragon?), it is arguable that you can choose any Dragon Shaman aura, including the vigor aura. If you're dragonblooded, the fast healing from this aura also increases as you go up in level (though it still caps at 1/2 HP).Last edited by kestrel404; 2011-07-27 at 09:05 AM.
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2011-07-27, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
As a cleric, take the touch of healing reserve feat. You can heal your entire party for up to half their hp by merely touching them.
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2011-07-27, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mass low-level healing, low ECL
So, assuming I'm going Dragon Shaman 1/ Binder 5 with Sacred Healing, what would be good feats to take besides, well, Sacred Healing, Able Learner (to make that Heal 8 ranks prereq) and Improved Binding? It's going to be a non-combat NPC so the usual fillers don't really make sense...
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2011-07-27, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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