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2011-08-17, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
And now it's time for the reveal! Eleven builds, eleven domains, but only one can come out on top.
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2011-08-17, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Winter is coming.
Originally Posted by Vald LokkurLast edited by Private-Prinny; 2011-08-17 at 08:19 PM.
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2011-08-17, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
I don't know what's worse, fighting him or playing as him.
Originally Posted by Norrin RaddLast edited by Private-Prinny; 2011-08-17 at 08:20 PM.
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2011-08-17, 08:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
With this many True Strikes, he'll never strike out.
Originally Posted by Mighty Casey
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2011-08-17, 08:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
They're not tricks. They're Illusions.
Originally Posted by GlimwynLast edited by Private-Prinny; 2011-08-17 at 08:25 PM.
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2011-08-17, 08:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
The only way to serve the namesake better would be taking the Saint template.
Originally Posted by Mother Teresa
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2011-08-17, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Now all we need is a Thunderdome.
Originally Posted by Mad Maks
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2011-08-17, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
No matter if he's saving humans or elves, they're not going to be happy about the other half.
Originally Posted by BrahamLast edited by Private-Prinny; 2011-08-18 at 12:16 PM.
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2011-08-17, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Now we have someone to blame for our natural 1's.
Originally Posted by Lord of Misfortune
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2011-08-17, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
He specializes in protection. Of himself.
Originally Posted by Uruk
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2011-08-17, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Do not meddle in the affairs of demons, as... I couldn't quite make out the rest through the screaming.
Originally Posted by Nefarious Tate
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2011-08-17, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
No wit is required here. Just slack-jawed amazement at someone bringing a Truenamer to the table.
Originally Posted by Sortes
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2011-08-17, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
That's all of them, folks. The judging period begins now!
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2011-08-17, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Of the three ideas I had, I picked one, and the other two were both used by different people! The 11 domains for 11 entries was pretty fortuitous indeed.
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2011-08-17, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
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Wait what... Truenamer... what is this I don't even?
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2011-08-17, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
I've heard true naming is poorly built and otherwise bad. I don't know why.
But this seems ok, regardless. No-ones allowed to say (yet), but I wonder who submitted that one.Demilich avatar by Smuchmuch. Thank you VERY much!
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2011-08-17, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Wow. I wish I was judging this one. There's a LOT of good stuff here.
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2011-08-17, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Don't forget to vote for honorable mention. Only votes for entries placed 4th or lower count, however.
I'll cast the first vote, for Vald Lokkur, the Wolf of Winter.Quotebox
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2011-08-17, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-08-17, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
I vote for *scrubbed till I find out
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Oh wait, it says vote by PM. Is it acceptable to do both, does a post here suffice, is a post here not supposed to be done by contestants?Last edited by Vandicus; 2011-08-17 at 10:54 PM.
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2011-08-17, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Both forms are acceptable, but I don't think an anonymous vote for honorable mention is necessary. I would also prefer if contestants didn't vote at all just to avoid the temptation of voting for yourself.
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2011-08-17, 11:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
I'd also like to vote for Vald Lokkur, the Wolf of Winter. Never thought of using Arcane Archer together with this prestige class ever.
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2011-08-18, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Hmm, nobody used either of my ideas, which is nice to see. My first idea was a raptoran using the Animal domain to get into Skypledged, thus opening up a hell of a lot of new spells (low-level, sure, but everything counts). That fell through when I couldn't think of what class to start out as. My second idea was to use the Incarnum domain on either a Totemist or a Soulborn . . . I was really, really close to just going VoP Totemist 10/Divine Crusader 10 with the Incarnum domain, but 1) I didn't know how people would react to me fudging the whole holy symbol/VoP issue, and 2) I ran out of time. (I had also considered using a Soulborn and then going into Wonderworker at the end, thereby snagging more 8th- and 9th-level spells than anyone else would get.)
I need to look at my free time over the next week or so. I MIGHT judge this. That's quite a few entries, though.Last edited by Zaq; 2011-08-18 at 01:39 AM.
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2011-08-18, 02:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
I was considering a Raptoran Crusader/Paladin/Divine Crusader/Ruby Knight Vindicator.
Worship Wee Jas, use the Magic Domain to get Anti Magic Field.
Fly around, use Crusader and Shadow Hand maneuvers and stances that counted as EX abilities even when they really shouldn't. Fly around in a widened Anti-Magic Field, Shadow Jaunting across the battlefield to shut people down.Spoiler
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2011-08-18, 02:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
I really appreciate those entries who bother giving a brief description of the character (i.e. Race Class A/Class B/PrC A/PrC B) outside of the progression table - it makes it so much easier to get your head around the concept at a glance, rather than having to slog through to whole table before you even get the basics. Nice.
I haven't had much time on these forums lately (my work blocked access to this a bunch of other sites which I used to browse a lunchtime and other breaks), but if I had, I would have submitted something like Paladin 2/Binder 3/KotSS 5/Divine Crusader X/KotR X).
I really wish I'd been more active on the forums, this is one comp I really would have liked to enter, as I've thought about DC builds quite a bit...c'est la vie.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2011-08-18, 04:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Before I begin judging, allow me to say this:
Wow.
No, really. You guys really stood up to the plate and took a good swing at this one. I don't see ANY builds which are BAD (a couple with some mechanical issues, perhaps, but not bad).
You've brought me a veritable smorgasbord of culinary delights, and I shall take my time savoring every individual flavor.
No matter who wins the competition, everyone who submitted a build deserves should know that their creation was certainly worthy of the contest, and acquitted themselves honorably.
And here I thought I was going to be a jerkface judge this time 'round, with comments like 'Wrong! Please don't try to do it again, you'll only embarrass yourself and sicken myself'. Instead I find myself struggling to not shed at tear at the sheer craftsmanship involved in these builds.
You may still end up with 'Morbo say it not work that way!', but please know that I use this with tongue-in-cheek. Even a master can improve, it is simply that the improvements become more subtle. If I offer suggestions or constructive criticism, it is primarily to help you achieve even higher pinnacles of perfection in following competitions. It's tough to get better when you are on this level of excellence... but I shall do my humble best to help you improve.
I'll also say that I think that the Creative scores this round are going to be much higher than average. All of these builds are unique (Barring Shadowcraft Gnome CharOp build copypaste), and leverage abilities in ways that I never thought of going. Using such sub-par classes as Arcane Archer and Truenamer... effectively!Last edited by ShneekeyTheLost; 2011-08-18 at 09:45 AM.
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Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
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2011-08-18, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Truenamer is hard to use because the DCs to cast spells scale the more you use them each day, you can only have one cast of each spell going at once, and your effects are about as good as spells, so the chance of failure isn't really worth it.
EDIT: All I'm saying is, I did something here I've never seen before anywhere. And I don't even count myself in the top 3 for most inventive. This round is absurdly high-quality.Last edited by term1nally s1ck; 2011-08-18 at 05:17 AM.
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2011-08-18, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Eleven builds, all alike in dignity...seriously, I second term1nally s1ck. I'm excited to see the judges' comments this round.
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2011-08-18, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
For those keeping track at home, our submissions this time are...
{table=head]Main Class|Second Class|Domain Chosen
Hexblade | Arcane Archer | Winter Domain
Paladin | Bone Knight | Hunger Domain
Swordsage | fighter | Time Domain
Hexblade | Shadowcraft Mage | Illusion Domain
Bard | Warweaver | Healing Domain
Blackguard | Ocular Adept | Strength Domain
Duskblade | - | Community Domain
Hexblade | Paladin of Slaughter | Luck Domain
Favored Soul | Fighter | Protection Domain
Duskblade | Nar Demonbinder | Destruction Domain
Truenamer | - | Multiple Domains[/table]
I honestly thought there would be more Duskblades. The ability to channel a high level spell into a melee attack is delicious. But then, there's no shortage of deliciousness on this list. I almost wish I was judging..
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Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist but you have ceased to live. - Samuel Clemens
Oh, and DFTBA.
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2011-08-18, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXIII
Going over these a little more in detail, I may end up the jerkface judge after all.
Game mechanics are there for a reason. Many of the builds have rather gross mechanics violations. Ignoring CL caps, ignoring prerequsites, ignoring swift action limitations... each build will have it set up in my judging post.
Just remember, I'm doing this to help you improve your optimization skills, not because I enjoy being a meany-face.
Everyone here is definitely above par for average skill. But the devil is in the details, and a couple of builds look a bit rushed, and some of those details got left behind, and now they're coming back to bite you in the arse.Last edited by ShneekeyTheLost; 2011-08-18 at 10:12 AM.
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora