MS Paint Adventures 4: 13

[Draconi Redfir]

Maybe in order to make this cancerous universe sucsessful the Troll session had to be changed a little too?

[Inyssius Tor]

If this isn't heavy forshadowing for something then i don't know what is.

"Something", eh? It's not much of a mystery! Nor is it exactly foreshadowing--our grey-text friend is describing the premise.

[Lix Lorn]

Why do you all dislike her? DXD Maybe she's just nice?

[Gez]

If this isn't heavy forshadowing for something then i don't know what is.

It's a mirror. Remember Karkat's first pesterlog?

carcinoGeneticist [CG] began trolling gardenGnostic [GG] at 13:04

CG: HI AGAIN, IDIOT.
GG: oh nooooooo
CG: SO I GUESS TODAY IS FINALLY THE DAY YOU **** EVERYTHING UP.
GG: >:O
CG: IS THERE NOTHING I CAN DO TO CHANGE YOUR MIND?
GG: you can leave me alone!!!!!
GG: how can you even be talking to me after i blocked you....
GG: AND after i logged out????
CG: YOU DON'T GET THAT I AM BETTER AND SMARTER THAN YOU IN EVERY WAY, FOREVER.
CG: YOU DON'T GET THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE INCREDIBLY STUPID.
GG: i get that youre a jerk and you should shut up!
GG: goodbye you jerk!!!!!!!!!

gardenGnostic [GG] blocked carcinoGeneticist [CG] at 13:06

It even was called Jade: Answer; by contrast to Jane: Answer.

[TheArsenal]

I do think we will see both kid genarations as there is a mention of an octet...

[BRC]

I'm thinking Pre-Scratch Karkat, which means that Pre-Scratch Kidverse is synched up with Post-Scratch Trollverse, and vice-(uni)versa.

[Lix Lorn]

Makes sense, but Hussie CLAIMED he wasn't bringing in twelve more trolls, so having the ancestors seems unlikely. I guess we could JUST have some of them...

[Garland]

So this is probably the color and sign Karkat would have if it wasn't for his HUGE BUTT and his RED MUTANT BLOOD (*cloose up of karkat; he its crynig*)

[memnarch]

Makes sense, but Hussie CLAIMED he wasn't bringing in twelve more trolls, so having the ancestors seems unlikely. I guess we could JUST have some of them...

Would that really be bringing in 12 more trolls? I mean, they've sort of been introduced already...

[Draconi Redfir]

yeah this troll thing kis kinda perplexing, especially since the only reason the first trolls knew anything about humans was because they created the human universe. and i REAAALY don't want the humans to create the trollverse. Unless maybe UU is from the universe the kids are going to make with the assistance of the trolls? idk.


Does seem likely the octet she is referring too is the pre and post scratch kids though, still have doubts that the guardian-kids' session is going to lack a space and time player so Jade and Dave can fill those roles, though the "dark spots" UU mentioned when referring to Lallonde could be the same as those around Equius making her the hero of void. Though a similar thing also happened to Rose when she went grimdark, so it's also possible there's some field of grimdarkness around the Lallonde household or something, if not that then it's also possible MOM made a machine of some kind to prevent outsiders from viewing her without her permission.

[Gez]

So this is probably the color and sign Karkat would have if it wasn't for his HUGE BUTT and his RED MUTANT BLOOD (*cloose up of karkat; he its crynig*)

And...

GG: So what do I know! Consarn it, maybe you are an alien girl from Uranus, and together we are about to play a game which determines the fate of existence. Sign me up!
UU: oh, hee hee! bUt i never claimed to be from that planet, which is only in the far reaches of yoUr solar system.

... his GRAY MUTANT PENIS

Also, UU. Uracil is the RNA equivalent to Thymine in DNA. So she's also the inverse of tentacleTherapist, Rose Lalonde. (Or her mom/daughter.) Unless you go for the complement, since DNA code is replaced by its complement in RNA code, so that'd make her the inverse apocalypseArisen (Aradia Megido).

[guttering flame]

About the dead trolls not appearing in the comic anymore, isn't one of the first things we're told (by Jade in a conversation with Rose) that the Game makes it possible to bring the dead back to life? My guess is that all the dead trolls will get their n-th chance in this new session.

So who's this new troll? I have a guess. I think something unprecedented happened during the Corpse-Party at the Green Sun. (the product of mixing of two separate universes.) I think the same thing that happened to the universes happened to the trolls. A lot of trolls partied, mixed up and in the end became one meta-troll, the new friendly neighborhood troll.

[Lix Lorn]

Does seem likely the octet she is referring too is the pre and post scratch kids though, still have doubts that the guardian-kids' session is going to lack a space and time player so Jade and Dave can fill those roles, though the "dark spots" UU mentioned when referring to Lallonde could be the same as those around Equius making her the hero of void. Though a similar thing also happened to Rose when she went grimdark, so it's also possible there's some field of grimdarkness around the Lallonde household or something, if not that then it's also possible MOM made a machine of some kind to prevent outsiders from viewing her without her permission.

Oooh, I like the Void theory.

Also, it's possible that grownup!Rose is grimdark. Creepy. ._.

[Oracle_Hunter]

So... "Cheerian" seems to have a time-travel utility (all that talk of synching) yet Takrak has not actually gone through her version of Sgrub yet.

Perhaps these two universes were "created" by the Kidsverse Scratch, which is why both appear to be Scratched versions of their respective universes? This would mean neither one created the other, but rather both will be undergoing The Reckoning at the same "time." Just, for some reason, the "Cheerian" trolls can read through the Crockerverse timeline without looking through their own as well (i.e. via memos).

...also Lalonde is naturally Grimdark, and can control it.

[BRC]

So... "Cheerian" seems to have a time-travel utility (all that talk of synching) yet Takrak has not actually gone through her version of Sgrub yet.

Perhaps these two universes were "created" by the Kidsverse Scratch, which is why both appear to be Scratched versions of their respective universes? This would mean neither one created the other, but rather both will be undergoing The Reckoning at the same "time." Just, for some reason, the "Cheerian" trolls can read through the Crockerverse timeline without looking through their own as well (i.e. via memos).

...also Lalonde is naturally Grimdark, and can control it.

My guess is that this is just Pre-scratch Troll universe, since UU mentions "foUr distinct Universal instances worth of Unfathomable tUrbUlence".
Hrmm, I've got a theory.

At one point, Hussie pointed out that Karkat gave the Universe Cancer in two ways. Directly, he stopped Kanaya from getting all the frogs. Symbolically, he caused John to change his chumhandle, disrupting the GCAT genetic code.

Doc Scratch contacts the Kids from the trollverse to tell them about the scratch.


Now, if this is post-scratch Kidverse and pre-scratch Trollverse, what if the process is reversed. One of the Kids did something that caused CG to change his name to UU (Disrupting the genetic code), Doc Scratch (or his equivalent from the Post-scratch kidverse) contacts the pre-scratch trollverse to tell them how to perform the Scratch. Trollverse Scratches, creating Pre-scratch Kidverse and Post-scratch trollverse, and with it Doc Scratch, who convinces the Kids to perform the Scratch, in the biggest Mobius Double Reacharound of them all.

[Oracle_Hunter]

My guess is that this is just Pre-scratch Troll universe, since UU mentions "foUr distinct Universal instances worth of Unfathomable tUrbUlence".
Hrmm, I've got a theory.

At one point, Hussie pointed out that Karkat gave the Universe Cancer in two ways. Directly, he stopped Kanaya from getting all the frogs. Symbolically, he caused John to change his chumhandle, disrupting the GCAT genetic code.

Doc Scratch contacts the Kids from the trollverse to tell them about the scratch.


Now, if this is post-scratch Kidverse and pre-scratch Trollverse, what if the process is reversed. One of the Kids did something that caused CG to change his name to UU (Disrupting the genetic code), Doc Scratch (or his equivalent from the Post-scratch kidverse) contacts the pre-scratch trollverse to tell them how to perform the Scratch. Trollverse Scratches, creating Pre-scratch Kidverse and Post-scratch trollverse, and with it Doc Scratch, who convinces the Kids to perform the Scratch, in the biggest Mobius Double Reacharound of them all.

...no, because Karkat is now a girl, and I'm not sure that changing chumhandles results in massive genetic disruption.

However! This could be the pre-pre-Scratch Trollverse! Remember that Karkat's Trollverse had already undergone a Scratch when their "happy nice" world was woefully incompetent at handling the rigours of Sgrub. It's how Lord English was able to influence the Subjuggulators and create the whole ICP-related mythos.

We are dealing with Sburb Alpha... perhaps Sgrub Alpha is the original Troll universe? After all, the Scratch makes it more likely for the Players to win their session and the Kids would have had a much better time of things if the Trolls weren't just trolling them the whole time.

[BRC]

...no, because Karkat is now a girl, and I'm not sure that changing chumhandles results in massive genetic disruption.

It did not. The genetic disruption was caused by Karkat rushing Kanaya, causing her to skip a couple crucial frogs. John changing his chumhandle was just symbolic.

[Draconi Redfir]

It did not. The genetic disruption was caused by Karkat rushing Kanaya, causing her to skip a couple crucial frogs. John changing his chumhandle was just symbolic.

he means UU is a girl and CG is a boy, if this is a reverse scenario were CG changes his trollhandle to UU, he would not stop being a boy.
my guess this is just what it looks like, a compleately sepperate new troll.

[Fayd]

Alternatively, these aren't trolls at all and Hussie is just messing with us. This could be a third species entirely. We have no idea...

[TheArsenal]

More inportantly:

Look at the picture inside the trunk. Like OMG.

[Das Platyvark]

So, if uranianUmbra is essentially anti-Karkat, then we can safely assume that their ancestors will also mirror each other...

[Tectonic Robot]

More inportantly:

Look at the picture inside the trunk. Like OMG.

JOHN. WHY ARE YOU SO COOL.

[Shadow of the Sun]

Hmm. Seems like Bro has a name beginning with "D". Daniel, perhaps?

[irenicObserver]

I think ???? Lalonde just has black spots because she was a drunk pre-scratch

[Gez]

So, if uranianUmbra is essentially anti-Karkat, then we can safely assume that their ancestors will also mirror each other...

UU is not Karkat's ancestor/descendant. That was the Signless, who was a guy, not a girl with the sign of the caduceus.

[Draconi Redfir]

Well the Trolls were only able to communicate with the Kids because the Kid were from the universe they had just created right? Possible UU here is from the universe the kids are about to create and happens to be the descendent of them and/or the trolls.

[Inyssius Tor]

Hmm. Seems like Bro has a name beginning with "D". Daniel, perhaps?

Seven letters? The numerology would be wrong even if he was secretly a troll. I'd bet on Dane, because that is exactly the kind of name Dave would give a person.

[Gez]

As long as it's not Duke...


Four letter first name, starting with D, that isn't Dave, and that actually exists? Dang, that's pretty darn hard to find. Damn. I suppose **** would fit the bill; but it's probably censored on half the forums of the Internet. Hussie did use that one in Problem Sleuth. (It's the diminutive for Richard.)

Otherwise? "Dude" sounds like a name Dave would come up with. Or maybe Dork.

At least it's definitely not Jeff.

[Lix Lorn]

Seven letters? The numerology would be wrong even if he was secretly a troll. I'd bet on Dane, because that is exactly the kind of name Dave would give a person.

And is a real name. There was someone in my class called it.

[Capt. Ido Nos]

My money is riding on Strider being named "Dora", ironically.